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Last edited by Parameswara; 11 July 2018, 11:26 PM.
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Originally posted by China womanMy relative's 37 SNP test indicated Haplogroup Q with a 3 step mutation to O and 4 step to R1BC.
Haplogroup Q is usually associated with Native Americans and Central Asians, though it is rarely found elsewhere as well.
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Guest repliedOriental DNA in the USA
My relative's 37 SNP test indicated Haplogroup Q with a 3 step mutation to O and 4 step to R1BC. As to be expected, I am MTDNA Haplogroup A. Thank you for the link to the Texan cultures website. The article was very interesting. However, the time period may be late for my relative's 3 step O. I am not sure about the mutation rate of the above mentioned 3 step. How often is a mutation -500 generations? What is the rate?
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There's also the Manila Galleon trade industry, which began in 1565, that created a direct route between the American continent and China, the Philippines and India. I've read reports that Mexican Indian men traveled on these ships and married women from the countries I mentioned and brought them back with them. Other people were brought back as slaves. And some people just boarded these ships on their own just to come to the American continent.
Take a look at this website. Toward the very bottom there's a picture of a Chinese woman named Hermilianda Wong Chew who is dressed like a Yaqui Indian. The article is an interview about the early 1900's.
The interviewer asks the following question:
"Did you have a Chinese cook that married a Mexican woman there?
Of that crowd, no, but there were Chinese that I knew later in the Isthmus that had married Mexican women. Some of those Chinese refugees might have had Mexican wives. They probably did, but they didn't bring them to the expedition."
Intermarriage did in fact happen in the past and this might explain why some Native Americans have Asian DNA.Last edited by haplogroupc; 30 October 2006, 02:56 PM.
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China-woman:
so is your relative Q or O?
Q is more likely in Europe, there are a few, not particularly many, but a noticeable number. And they came to Europe as you say, through invasions of Huns and other Turkic tribes (as well as possibly people living in the Arctic regions). I don't think there is much O in Europe, and from previous posts in this forum, it appears that the European O's were instead misclassified N (the brother clade) or Q. O of course is very typical Chinese.
What is your mtdna haplogroup? If your maternal ancestor was a Zuni Indian, then it should be A,B,C or D.
cacio
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Guest repliedOriental DNA in the USA
Another tangle in this USA haplogroup O thread:
My male relative was first proclaimed 'O', then 'Q'. My mtdna test has 2 near matches in Japan. Our family has been on U.S. soil since 1598 (documented). BUT...our 10th greatgrandmother was a Zuni Indian. Read THE ZUNI ENIGMA by Nancy Yaw Davis. She proposes a Japanese/Zuni connection.
A more likely scenerio for 'O' in your/my genes is that:
The Huns who swept through Asia into Europe contributed haplogroup O to the European gene pool. Check the mutation rates in your test results.
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Originally posted by KaiserThe title of the thread needs clarification. Zhang He could not have had descendants as he had been castrated as a young boy.
The title of the thread reads: Descendant of Zheng He's discovery of America?, not Descendant of Zheng He?.
I did not understand Igmayka to be saying that these folks were possibly descendants of the Admiral himself. I understood him to be saying that Zheng He's alleged "discovery" of America was responsible, i.e., by bringing Chinese sailors and their y-dna to the Western Hemisphere.
Personally, I suspect some much more prosaic reason for the presence of Oriental y-dna in 21st-century America. We just don't know enough about the background of these folks to know what that is.
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Originally posted by lgmaykaTake a look at Ysearch entry N92EW:
Notice that the haplogroup is O, the great-grandfather's name is Montgomery, from North Carolina. One might suspect a recent "non-paternal event" with an East Asian as the biological father, but that would have resulted in some degree of East Asian ('Oriental' or 'Mongoloid') facial features, and consequent serious doubt as to paternity. The entry's information gives no hint of any such doubt.
And the haplogroup designation is no mistake. Montgomery's nearest matches are a Singaporean and a Filipino:
As you may know, a serious claim has arisen recently as to whether the Chinese actually encountered ('discovered') America in the 1400s, well before Columbus:
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Wouldn't it be amazing if this Mr. Montgomery were a descendant of someone on one of Zheng He's ships?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet
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Originally posted by lgmaykaAs you may know, a serious claim has arisen recently as to whether the Chinese actually encountered ('discovered') America in the 1400s, well before Columbus:
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Descendant of Zheng He's discovery of America?
Take a look at Ysearch entry N92EW:
Notice that the haplogroup is O, the great-grandfather's name is Montgomery, from North Carolina. One might suspect a recent "non-paternal event" with an East Asian as the biological father, but that would have resulted in some degree of East Asian ('Oriental' or 'Mongoloid') facial features, and consequent serious doubt as to paternity. The entry's information gives no hint of any such doubt.
And the haplogroup designation is no mistake. Montgomery's nearest matches are a Singaporean and a Filipino:
As you may know, a serious claim has arisen recently as to whether the Chinese actually encountered ('discovered') America in the 1400s, well before Columbus:
Find domain names, web hosting and online marketing for your website -- all in one place. Network Solutions helps businesses get online and grow online with domain name registration, web hosting and innovative online marketing services.
Wouldn't it be amazing if this Mr. Montgomery were a descendant of someone on one of Zheng He's ships?
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