Half Jewish???

[NatalieRGD]

Hi all, I hope somebody can help me as I'm very confused about my DNA results.

12 years ago my mother told me who my father is. I never met him, only got a letter from his lawyer that he refuses a DNA test and don't want to meet me. That's why I took a DNA test as I thought it will show up that I have a Jewish father.
My mother is from Belgium and I could go 6 generations back in that tree and all are from the same region in Belgium.
The man my mother says is my father is Jewish. His mother is from Belarus and his father from Moldova. Both are Jews.

I tested with ancestry but uploaded on several other sites and results differs a lot. I only got 6-8 Cousin matches (moderate to low), one closer match that seems false as it gave 0 match on gedmatch, or I get no matches at all at some sites.

Below I post my results from several pages as I'm very confused now and maybe the man my mother says is my father, isn't????
Can you be half Jewish with the results that I have????

Ancestry gave 100% Europe ( Europe west, GB, Iberian, NW Russia, zero Ashkenazi)

My heritage 100% Europe ( NW Euro + Iberian )

Family Tree : 97% European 3% Middle Eastern (Asia Minor)

DNA Land: 100% West Eurasian ( 69 NW Euro/ 14 Balkan/ 9,1 SW Euro (5 Sardinian)/ 5 North Slavic / 1,6 ambiguous/ 1,2 Indo Iranian.

GenePlaza: 96,5 West Eurasian - 62,1 NW Euro/ 12,8 SW Euro/ 3,2 North Slavic/ 17 Eastern Med./ 1,4 ambiguous.
2,3 Central Asia
1,3 ambiguous

Gedmatch JTest:
South Baltic 12,65
East Euro. 6,11
North Central Euro. 30,03
Atlantic 27,33
West Med. 10,99
Ashkenazi. 2,39
East Med. 3,70
West Asian. 6,80

In Eurogenes k9b there was 9,79 SW Asian and sub Saharan 1,14

The oracles on Dodecad test gave close results to British + Iraq Jews, Dutch + AJ, Dutch + Sephardic J, and all kinds of combinations of British/Irish/ Kent/ Cornwall with Iranian, Iraqi, Georgia, Azerbaijan Jews.

On Gedrosia oracle I got Belarus + English @0,00000/ Belarus + French @0,00000/ Belarus + Belarus + Stuttgart @ 0,00000, other combinations were Ukraine+ Romanian/ Ukraine + Bulgarian, Bulgarian+French + Russian + Ukraine / French + Romanian+ ukraine......

I'm new to all this DNA stuff and don't know how to correctly interpret these results. Is it possible I have a Jewish father with only 2,39 AJ?
All the Mediterranean and Balkan does that match with Sephardic Jews from Bessarabia/Moldova???

Thanks

[J Honeychuck]

You have done very well.

No, if you had Ashkenazi ancestry it would show up strongly. Also, you would share DNA segments with lots of Ashkenazi people at Family Tree DNA and Ancestry.com.

[Armando]

NatalieRGD,

J Honeychuck is right.

As far as trying to determine if you have a different ancestry from your father than your mother will you go to Gedmatch then use the Eurogenes K13 admixture test then choose the Oracle-4 option then post the 4 populations approximation?

Same for Eurogenes K15?

[NatalieRGD]

NatalieRGD,

J Honeychuck is right.

As far as trying to determine if you have a different ancestry from your father than your mother will you go to Gedmatch then use the Eurogenes K13 admixture test then choose the Oracle-4 option then post the 4 populations approximation?

Same for Eurogenes K15?

Hi Armando,
Thank you very much. Here are the results (lol, sounds like Eurovision Song Contest vote results)

Now I'm even more confused....
How should I interpret these results? Besides the distant matches I have on Ancestry with Flemish names I have lot more matches with English names. yesterday I got also some closer matches 4-6 cousins with confidence: good. All but one have English sounding names, one is from Lithuania. No Flemish/ Dutch in the closer matches.

In My origins Admixture I have British Isles, Southeast Europe and Asia Minor. But maybe they can't differentiate about British and Western Europe.
Maybe my dad is Flemish like my mother? But in that case why the majority of matches is English (UK, USA)?


For Eurogenes K13

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 3.957478
2 Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.971262
3 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.979384
4 Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.020370
5 French + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.140993
6 French + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.147323
7 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 4.164928
8 Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.178919
9 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.185014
10 French + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.191632
11 French + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 4.195657
12 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish @ 4.196982
13 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.198093
14 French + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.206764
15 Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.211352
16 Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.229629
17 French + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.253806
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.257483
19 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 4.263236
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Aragon @ 4.279990

For Eurogenes V2 K15


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.374004
2 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.387149
3 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.417490
4 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French @ 4.432203
5 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.438382
6 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 4.445149
7 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.456955
8 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.458509
9 Irish + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.484906
10 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.502075
11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.509097
12 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.510877
13 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.512626
14 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.516233
15 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French @ 4.523005
16 French + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 4.524767
17 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.526102
18 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.526382
19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.526569
20 Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 4.528160

[khazaria]

A Dutch genetic genealogist noticed that many more English people test their DNA, compared to Dutch people from the Netherlands. Probably only low numbers of Flemish people test. This would skew match lists toward where the most people test.

[NatalieRGD]

A Dutch genetic genealogist noticed that many more English people test their DNA, compared to Dutch people from the Netherlands. Probably only low numbers of Flemish people test. This would skew match lists toward where the most people test.

Hi Khazaria,
Thanks.
I was thinking the same, that there are not much Flemish people testing.
Those closer English matches I have, could they be false matches?
The matches with Dutch names are 6-8 cousins confidence: moderate.
No surnames of my mother's side that I recognize but my knowledge of my family tree doesn't go back that far at my grandmothers side. Even when those matches aren't from my mothers side but from my fathers, I think it's almost impossible to track back to his generation. Also all of these matches have no family tree.

I really don't know what to do next. My mother stays with the fact that LWP is my father (the Jewish man), she had no other relations that time.
DNA shows he can't be my dad, but in that case I don't understand his reaction. 12 years ago when my mother told me about him I found his phone number in white pages. I phoned him but didn't say anything about searching my dad. Only said that I was searching for a Jewish Family living on that address in the '60s. His reaction was very strange. Then I asked if he knew a certain place ( place where he always went with my mom), with lots of nostalgia he said he knew. Than I asked if he knew *my mother's name*. He cut of the conversation. Next day 10am I tried to phone back but the number didn't exist anymore so he must have been to the phone company the moment they open at 9am to change his number. Is that a normal reaction???
His mother was already 10 years married before she got him in 1938. He's only child. His father is buried in the Jewish cemetery. His mother was buried in civil cemetery. No Magen David, nothing Hebrew on her grave.(Although she was in Jewish registry WWII) As long as his father lived he paid for his wife's grave. ( When he died, my father didn't pay anymore and the grave doesn't exist anymore. I had confirmation of city council that remaining bones are together with others burnt at crematorium. I found that so strange. Why his mom wasn't buried at Jewish cemetery? Why he didn't move her remains to be buried with her husband at the Jewish cemetery?
Maybe he was the child of somebody else and was illegally adopted? Maybe he refuses a DNA test not only for the fact I could be his daughter but also that it will show that he's not of Jewish descend?
Pffff, I don't know what to think anymore. Maybe I will never know who my biological father is and have to make peace with that fact.
What can I do? Where should I start searching? I really have no clue.

[loobster]

Has your mother done the FamilyFinder Test?
If not, I suggest seeing if you can get her to let you order that test for her (separate Kit from one for your results!).

That way you can probably easily see which of your matches come from her side, and so which from your father's side.

And if you have any 3rd cousin, or preferably closer, suggested matches who do not match your mother, then you may be able to start working with them to get an idea who your father is /who his biological parents are.
[on FTDNA - Range 2nd-4th Cousin is suggested 3rd Cousin; range 2nd-3rd Cousin is suggested 2nd Cousin - as is Range 1st-3rd ]

PS - Does the man your mother says is your father have any other children? Any siblings?

[NatalieRGD]

Has your mother done the FamilyFinder Test?
If not, I suggest seeing if you can get her to let you order that test for her (separate Kit from one for your results!).

That way you can probably easily see which of your matches come from her side, and so which from your father's side.

And if you have any 3rd cousin, or preferably closer, suggested matches who do not match your mother, then you may be able to start working with them to get an idea who your father is /who his biological parents are.
[on FTDNA - Range 2nd-4th Cousin is suggested 3rd Cousin; range 2nd-3rd Cousin is suggested 2nd Cousin - as is Range 1st-3rd ]

PS - Does the man your mother says is your father have any other children? Any siblings?

Hi Loobster,

My mother left me in hospital when I was born. It took my grandparents a year to get all the paperwork done to get me out of the orphanage. I was raised by my maternal grandparents, both are deceased.
I'm 100% sure my mother will not help me in this by doing a dna test.

The closest matches I got are 4-6 cousins on Ancestry. All are from USA and I think these are false matches???
And I have a 28,9 cM match on gedmatch. Is that worth investigating or is it to low?

The man my mother says is my father was never married and has no children. He has no siblings and no other family members here in Belgium.
I don't know how many uncle's and ants he had, but I've seen lots of people with his father or his mother's surnames and Birth places in the records of people killed in WWII.
Because his parents had already Belgian nationality they could escape to Switzerland in '43 and survived.