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[Stevo]

I agree with ragnar. An upgrade is needed. The two men may still be only two off at 37 markers.

I have a 10/12 match (it looks bigger due to my recLOH at 385a/b) in my surname project with a man who still has the old, unanglicized version of our German surname. He won't respond to my emails asking him to upgrade. I'm thinking of finding him and obtaining a blood sample or a front tooth the old fashioned way (just joking!).

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[ragnar]

385a & 439 are considered to be fast moving markers. They should upgrade to at least 37 markers, maybe more. One of my matches that was 1 fast marker off at 37, added a slow moving marker off after upgrading to 67 markers.

R1b1 Cousins

This is a question for those of you who are well-versed in the science of DNA testing.

I recruited two suspected male relatives to for 12-marker testing to prove whether they are related. After generations of conjecture that they have the same male ancestor, I was very enthusiastic that science could provide a yes or no answer.

Both tested as members of R1b1, but only match 10 for 12.
Their values are below:
13
24
14
11
385a 11/12
14
12
12
439 13/12
13
13
29
The two markers they mismatch they're only off by one value. An email to FTDNA resulted in a reply that the president of the company and his own father were off by one value and they wouldn't have been displayed as related.

Does anyone know if there is particular volatility on markers 385a and 439? The two men tested are separated by five generations.

Thanks much.
Lynn

[Stevo]

Newly Tested R1bs

Hey, all you guys who have just found out you are R1b! Hey, all you gals who are the ones really interested in the test of a male relative you've just found out is R1b!

Come on over to the new R Forum here.

We would be glad to have you, and you can use an avatar there if you want.

We're ready to try our best to help you understand your results and compare them with the rest of us.

Welcome to R World!

[kaybee930]

I neglected to include London, England in that group with a representation of 200/2%

With the % included, the group is:

Santiago de Compostela 103 3.9
Pyrenees, Spain 134 6.7
Paris, France 109 3.7
North Portugal 182 4.9
Madrid, Spain 148 4.7
Denmark 63 4.8
Central Portugal 185 2.7
Barcelona, Catalonia 224 4.9
Andalusia, South Spain 163 2.5
London, England 247 2

Barcelona is in the lead.

[kaybee930]

That chart is very interesting. My brother's R1b (tested, but deep SNP results pending/delayed) is 100% HT6 on the chart. Our paternal ancestors have been in County Derry Ireland since at least late 1500s, early 1600s. Relatives are still on the same land there. The last name is Oliver and I have never found a record of them in any Plantation records. We became involved in this partly to see if we could determine where they originated. We surmised Spain or France based upon the name and physical appearance of many of the men in the family (very dark hair, almost black eyes, close to olive toned skin).

The top results so far for this HT6 group are:

Barcelona, Catalonia 224
Central Portugal 185
North Portugal 182
Andalusia, South Spain 163
Madrid, Spain 148
Pyrenees, Spain 134
Paris, France 109
Santiago de Compostela 103
Denmark 63

It will be interesting to keep watching the results!

Kath

[ntxcousin]

I match HT2 on that chart exactly. The top six for it are:

Denmark - 9.5

Brussels, Belgium - 6.4

Borders Scotland - 5.6

North Portugal - 5.5.

Tuscany - 4.1

Berlin, Brandenburg - 4.0

Not sure what that means, exactly.

The map shows HT2 heaviest in Northern Europe, especially around the Baltic. It's an awfully short haplotype, though, so I don't attach too much significance to it.

Mine's the HT3 and is heavy on Spain and Ireland/Scottish Borders. Once again the Ireland/Scotland Borders regions show up.

[Stevo]

I match HT2 on that chart exactly. The top six for it are:

Denmark - 9.5

Brussels, Belgium - 6.4

Borders Scotland - 5.6

North Portugal - 5.5.

Tuscany - 4.1

Berlin, Brandenburg - 4.0

Not sure what that means, exactly.

The map shows HT2 heaviest in Northern Europe, especially around the Baltic. It's an awfully short haplotype, though, so I don't attach too much significance to it.

[ntxcousin]

Have you seen this chart and map?

It might interest you.

Here's the top 6 for me from that chart.

Santiago de Compostela 8.7
South Ireland 8.5
Pyrenees, Spain 5.2
Borders Scotland * 4.9
Barcelona, Catalonia 4.9
North Portugal 4.9

[Stevo]

I am closest to R1b-Fris3 as well, but secondly I am closest to N3 B?!?!?! Thats Baltid, which is like Eastern Europe

Have you seen this chart and map?

It might interest you.

[Downer101]

I am closest to R1b-Fris3 as well, but secondly I am closest to N3 B?!?!?! Thats Baltid, which is like Eastern Europe

[Stevo]

New R Forum

There is a new forum dedicated to y-haplgorup R here.

Please register, login, and participate.

This forum is for all members of y-haplogroup R (Rs, R1s, R1as, R1bs, and R2s), and all R welcome!

Come on!

[vineviz]

I am unsure of your point or word usage.

I thought the point was quite clear: he said that what you wrote was inaccurate AND unrelated to genetics.

[GregKiroKH]

Those were some of the links people posted in other threads about R1b and royality. It is difficult to find the truth . . .

(I have always wondered about the character of reason and of logic)

[GregKiroKH]

Yes, but instead of talking about population movements, you gave a biased, downright twisted history of the Protestant Reformation.

Hello Jason ; Try to contact Steve Perkins , he submits to the [email protected] list. He says in an e-mail July 11 . " I expect more Mtdna signatures ,when a study of European Royalty being done by William Addams Reiteweiser is released." I dont think too many Royal DNAs have been studied , privacy issues ?. Marie Antoinette s MtDNA is Haplogroup " H" , HVR1; T16519C , HVR2 ; T152C , A 263G , N315.1C, C194T. Except for , and , I guess , a big exception , I match her , & the exception is the C194T.If you are interested in Royal Lineage , pedigree & lineage , not DNA results , try www.genealogics.org ( Leo de Pas has an excellent web-site ). KAT .

R1b Celtic Royals:

R1b; Scottish Orkney - Celtic / Pictish; Stewart Royal descendant.

http://www.davidkfaux.org/shetlandislandsYdataS2.html

Lancaster - Satterthwaite - Satterfields Families - R1b

British Royal Family - are they R1b?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_the_British_Royal_Family

Galicia, Spain DNA Project

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GaliciaDNA/

López - J2: Semitic origin - were they royals?

I am unsure of your point or word usage. I always direct my ideas to the data presented not the character of a person I do not know. However, we are understanding DNA by historical events. The Reformation influenced marriage patterns.