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[davis1946]

Davis,
Find the message in the thread you wish to quote and in the lower right of the message you'll see "Quote." Click on it. A 'Reply to Thread" screen opens up with the message you want to quote prepopulated with the appropriate tags. Just start typing your message immediately below and, when done, hit the 'Submit Reply' button.

If the message I'm quoting is long, I do delete the portions that are not relevant.

I am trying out your suggestions, hope this works.

[davis1946]

Thank you DMac

I was trying to make it more complicated than it was. Thank you!

[DMac]

I like 'simple'.

You're welcome.

[Stevo]

Mallory's Book

One of the gifts I got for my birthday yesterday was a gift card for Borders Books. I spent it on the Supergirl comic book my daughter demanded and the following book I wanted:

In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology and Myth, by Dr. J.P. Mallory (London: Thames & Hudson, 2003 reprint of 1989 original).

I've started reading the book and am really enjoying it. It is not a genetics book but discusses Indo-European origins from a linguistic, archaeological and historical perspective. It seems to be a pretty comprehensive treatment of an extremely complex subject.

Anyone else here read it?

[Susannah]

R1B1 - Finally got 37-marker results

Results:

1 393 13
2 390 24
3 19* 14
4 391 11
5 385a 14
6 385b 14
7 426 12
8 388 12
9 439 12
10 389-1 13
11 392 14
12 389-2 30
13 458 17
14 459a 9
15 459b 10
16 455 11
17 454 11
18 447 25
19 437 15
20 448 19
21 449 30
22 464a** 15
23 464b** 15
24 464c** 17
25 464d** 17
26 460 11
27 GATA H4 12
28 YCA II a 19
29 YCA II b 24
30 456 15
31 607 14
32 576 19
33 570 17
34 CDY a 36
35 CDY b 37
36 442 12
37 438 12

Anyone out there have results that are close?
My personal page at FTdna shows 1 one-step match with someone who tested 25 markers. This individual has same surname (Robertson). Can I think that we may be related in genealogical time? My paper trail goes back on one Robertson line (I have two of them!) to 1710, purportedly England. My one-step match on 25 markers gives his recent ancestral origin as Scotland.

When I had tested only 12 markers, he and I were a one-step match then. I contacted him and he did not return my e-mail.

Susannah's "Southern Gent"

[DMac]

Anyone out there have results that are close?
My personal page at FTdna shows 1 one-step match with someone who tested 25 markers. This individual has same surname (Robertson). Can I think that we may be related in genealogical time? My paper trail goes back on one Robertson line (I have two of them!) to 1710, purportedly England. My one-step match on 25 markers gives his recent ancestral origin as Scotland.

When I had tested only 12 markers, he and I were a one-step match then. I contacted him and he did not return my e-mail.

Susannah's "Southern Gent"

You share a surname and are a 24/25 match? Yep, I'd say it's something to investigate. I assume you're part of the Robertson surname project. See if the project administrator can help you get in touch with him or at the least give you some information he may have already shared.

[Stevo]

You share a surname and are a 24/25 match? Yep, I'd say it's something to investigate. I assume you're part of the Robertson surname project. See if the project administrator can help you get in touch with him or at the least give you some information he may have already shared.

I agree.

Congratulations, Susannah!

I wish I had a match like that with someone with my surname or one of its variants.

Hopefully you will be able to get in touch with that other Robertson (Pat?).

[DMac]

(Pat?).

Good Lord, No!!!!!

[Stevo]

Good Lord, No!!!!!

Only a joke, brother . . . kind of a local Virginia joke at that.

But one never knows . . .

[Stevo]

Today I picked up a second book that I wanted: The World of the Celts, by Simon James (London: Thames & Hudson, 2005 reprint of 1993 original).

The book is beautifully illustrated and has numerous really nice photos.

It looks good. Hopefully it will turn out to be a good book.

[DMac]

Only a joke, brother . . . kind of a local Virginia joke at that.

But one never knows . . .

I wonder if it's only the Virginians that would catch it?

[F.E.C.]

That was my thought, until someone recently pointed out that it *is* possible have a 10/12 match and then end up with 23/25 or 35/37 after upgrading. In other words, having mismatches in the first 12 markers doesn't guarantee you will have additional mismatches at 25 or 37 markers.

There's an example of this in a project that I'm in. Most of the members matched 12/12, but one guy matched the rest (including his own cousin) 10/12 or 11/12. Once they all upgraded, he matched everyone at virtually every other marker. So this guy just happened to have an uncommon mutation at one of the less common markers to mutate and if he hadn't upgraded to more markers, he would have never known that he had close matches after all.

So my opinion -- upgrade to at least 25, preferrably 37, and see what happens. 12 markers just doesn't give you enough information in this case.

Hi all, it's been a long time.

Sorry efgen, I couldn't continue this discussion in the last days.
However, now I'm a free man...almost: only the final thesis is left, but I'll
take care of it later.

Efgen, I didn't mention I have already upgraded last december, so I
already know I have a genetic distance of 8 from my closest match at 37.
Quite a lot for a R1b, uh?
That's why I don't think the upgrade can help me in my search for the
ancient origin of my paternal line. I also think FTDNA should focus more on
the discovery of new SNPs in order to give some competition to Ethnoancestry, now they've succeeded in having the world's tightest test for
genealogical purposes.

I understand and appreciate those who choose to upgrade because they want to give their contribution to this science, I also gave mine when I tested for the Ethnoancestry's new R1b SNPs some months ago, but this time I don't feel this upgrade can be useful to my goals.

Do you think the autosomal DNA test would help in this sense?

[F.E.C.]

By the way, do you think it is possible there are no more subclades to discover downstream of R1b1c9 except for R1b1c9a (S26) and R1b1c9b (S29)?

[Stevo]

By the way, do you think it is possible there are no more subclades to discover downstream of R1b1c9 except for R1b1c9a (S26) and R1b1c9b (S29)?

I think there could be more subdivisions of R1b1c9. Why not?

Did you see John McEwan's last post to the Rootsweb DNA List regarding the Irish Cluster (M222+)? I know neither of us is M222+, but his idea about a non-Iberian Ice Age refuge was interesting.

I think my own ancestors must have wintered the LGM outside Iberia. I am 13 off the AMH and have no near-hits in Iberia. The cluster John has tentatively placed me in also has no Iberian members (that could change, of course).

[F.E.C.]

I think there could be more subdivisions of R1b1c9. Why not?

I hope and think so, also due to the fact the S21 mutation seems to be so old, diverse and widspread.
I was just wondering if this risk does exist: if it does, it would be a "tragedy" for those R1b1c9's who wish they could get more specifical infos on their ancestral origin.