If YOU ARE ONE, BE ONE

[ghetohound]

Thanks for the info on the markers, and yes...we are sooooo excited on the extra markers! This site is helping me understand a bit more. Someone else posted it, I believe on the R1B forum?

Im not sure if the link will show correctly...but im sure you know how to copy and paste!

http://www.ethnoancestry.com/EAM269Sept05.htm

[ghetohound]

Hmmmmmm....Ok...I don't think that site is what your looking for. If you do find something...please post!

[Stevo]

Thanks for the info on the markers, and yes...we are sooooo excited on the extra markers! This site is helping me understand a bit more. Someone else posted it, I believe on the R1B forum?

Im not sure if the link will show correctly...but im sure you know how to copy and paste!

http://www.ethnoancestry.com/EAM269Sept05.htm

It showed up just fine, thanks.

I have those DYS390=23, DYS391=11, DYS392=13 values that that article identifies with S21+ and "Anglo-Saxon invader" status. I think my immigrant ancestor may have been a German, but whatever.

Ethnoancestry is the only company testing for S21, but they want about $300 to do it.

I'm not going to spend that right now. I'll stick with FTDNA and wait and see if they get around to testing for more R1b SNPs.

[MMaddi]

That is interesting.

You don't have a Deep SNP-R1b on order for your brother, do you?

Have they developed a new modal for R1b1c and are predicting it based on STRs now?

Since I ordered a Deep SNP-R1b test, my haplogroup prediction no longer shows up on my personal page. All I have is a "Testing in Progress" thingee.

It used to say "R1b1."

I'm not sure about an exact formula that FTDNA uses, but the general method they use to predict haplogroup in the absence of a SNP test is to compare your haplotype against everyone in their database who has been SNP-tested. Then, based on how many of each haplogroup you match up with at the exact match, and 1, 2, 3 and 4 step mutations level, they have some formula which tells them what they can confidently predict for your haplogroup.

What I suspect is that as more people get their deep R1b SNP test results, they have more people in their SNP-tested database to which they can compare you. In the case we're discussing now, my guess is that some of the R1b's who just tested as R1b1c tipped their prediction for Ghetohound's brother from R1b1 to the more defined R1b1c.

Mike

[GregKiroKH]

It showed up just fine, thanks.

I have those DYS390=23, DYS391=11, DYS392=13 values that that article identifies with S21+ and "Anglo-Saxon invader" status. I think my immigrant ancestor may have been a German, but whatever.

Ethnoancestry is the only company testing for S21, but they want about $300 to do it.

I'm not going to spend that right now. I'll stick with FTDNA and wait and see if they get around to testing for more R1b SNPs.

You might get the same results that I get, Stevo, R1b1c still testing. I am happy something came back. There were a lot of negatives so far. Now, I do not have to re-research what I researched so far.

[Stevo]

You might get the same results that I get, Stevo, R1b1c still testing. I am happy something came back. There were a lot of negatives so far. Now, I do not have to re-research what I researched so far.

Yeah, my guess is R1b1c*, which means negative for R1b1c1-8.

I may be R1b1c9 or R1b1c10, but I won't know until FTDNA starts testing for the SNPs that define those subclades.

[ghetohound]

FTDNA predicts we are r1b1c and these are the first 37 markers we have. The only thing I know is that my fathers side was supposedly Scottish however that has not been proved.

Can anyone offer any assistance on the following markers regarding geographic origins? (Did I ask that right?)

393 13
390 23
19 14
391 11
385a 11
385b 14
426 12
388 12
439 11
389-1 13
392 13
389-2 29
458 17
459a 9
459b 10
455 11
454 11
447 24
437 14
448 19
449 30
464a 15
464b 16
464c 17
464d 18
460 11
GATA H4 10
YCAIIa 19
YCAIIb 23
456 17
607 15
576 18
570 17
CDYa 36
CDYb 36
442 13
438 12

Thanks!!!!

[Stevo]

FTDNA predicts we are r1b1c and these are the first 37 markers we have. The only thing I know is that my fathers side was supposedly Scottish however that has not been proved.

Can anyone offer any assistance on the following markers regarding geographic origins? (Did I ask that right?)

393 13
390 23
19 14
391 11
385a 11
385b 14
426 12
388 12
439 11
389-1 13
392 13
389-2 29
458 17
459a 9
459b 10
455 11
454 11
447 24
437 14
448 19
449 30
464a 15
464b 16
464c 17
464d 18
460 11
GATA H4 10
YCAIIa 19
YCAIIb 23
456 17
607 15
576 18
570 17
CDYa 36
CDYb 36
442 13
438 12

Thanks!!!!

The three markers I bolded above, with values of 23, 11, and 13, respectively, are supposed to be pretty good indicators of S21+, aka R1b1c9.

I have the same values at those markers.

Have you checked Ken Nordtvedt's chart of R1b modal haplotypes?

I can't say for sure, but what you posted above looks like it might be one of the R1b-Frisian haplotypes.

[ghetohound]

The three markers I bolded above, with values of 23, 11, and 13, respectively, are supposed to be pretty good indicators of S21+, aka R1b1c9.

I have the same values at those markers.

Have you checked Ken Nordtvedt's chart of R1b modal haplotypes?

I can't say for sure, but what you posted above looks like it might be one of the R1b-Frisian haplotypes.

Thank you sooooooooo much Stevo! Off to read...

[Stevo]

Deep SNP-R1b Progress!!! ?

Hey!!!

I was just looking at two of the projects in which I am involved, the Steffen Project and the R1b Project.

Some of you may remember that I (or my ancestor anyway) was listed in both of them as R1, even though FTDNA predicted R1b1 for me on my personal page.

Well, tonight I discovered I am now listed in both of these projects as R1b1, but still in bright red (not the green of a finalized, Deep-SNP-R1b confirmed R1b1c or whatever).

I see this as progress. It must mean that my SNP test is progressing sufficiently so that FTDNA feels confident enough to report R1b1 to my projects.

Cool. Way cool!

Does that mean they have already found me positive for M343 and P25?

If so, awesome!

I'm jazzed!

Like that old song says, little things mean a lot.



Yeah, baby!

[ghetohound]

Quickie...

Goodmorning everyone.....

Surname "Triplett" English?

[Stevo]

JUmping the gun

Hey!!!

I was just looking at two of the projects in which I am involved, the Steffen Project and the R1b Project.

Some of you may remember that I (or my ancestor anyway) was listed in both of them as R1, even though FTDNA predicted R1b1 for me on my personal page.

Well, tonight I discovered I am now listed in both of these projects as R1b1, but still in bright red (not the green of a finalized, Deep-SNP-R1b confirmed R1b1c or whatever).

I see this as progress. It must mean that my SNP test is progressing sufficiently so that FTDNA feels confident enough to report R1b1 to my projects.

Cool. Way cool!

Does that mean they have already found me positive for M343 and P25?

If so, awesome!

I'm jazzed!

Like that old song says, little things mean a lot.



Yeah, baby!

Last night it dawned on me why I am now listed in my projects as R1b1. Let me explain.

I was originally listed as R1 because I had a 10/12 near-hit with a man whose haplogroup prediction was R1. Thus FTDNA's more conservative project algorithm reported R1 to my projects. Mr. Greenspan had explained that to me in his very kind email back when I first inquired about my R1 status.

Since then, that R1 guy ordered a Deep SNP test. His results have come back, and he is R1b1.

So - voila! - I am now R1b1 on my projects pages.

A little disappointing: I was hoping the change was due to progress on my own Deep SNP-R1b test and some partial results.

Just the same, it was cool to see that update. It lifted my spirits.

But I'm kind of a happy guy anyway, so on we roll.

A little excitement now and then makes life interesting.

[Stevo]

Goodmorning everyone.....

Surname "Triplett" English?

When I googled it, what I saw said Scottish.

Surnames in America can be deceptive, however. My own may be an anglicization of a German surname. Many immigrants anglicized their surnames to fit in.

Still, it gives you something to go on. Just be aware of the history of surnames in America.

[GregKiroKH]

Yeah, my guess is R1b1c*, which means negative for R1b1c1-8.

I may be R1b1c9 or R1b1c10, but I won't know until FTDNA starts testing for the SNPs that define those subclades.

They are still testing three SNPs. If all three of them turn out negative, then it will be *, I guess. I would be surprise if it was the Australian one. The British one or the * one would be my guess. This issue of AMC DYS390 = 23 and DYS391 = 11 is providing great Y-DNA results because so many in our group want results. We are so interested in finding more about our homeland. I hope the other haplotypes are discovered for a great world map description.

[Stevo]

They are still testing three SNPs. If all three of them turn out negative, then it will be *, I guess. I would be surprise if it was the Australian one. The British one or the * one would be my guess. This issue of AMC DYS390 = 23 and DYS391 = 11 is providing great Y-DNA results because so many in our group want results. We are so interested in finding more about our homeland. I hope the other haplotypes are discovered for a great world map description.

Have you seen this table and map of the major R1b haplotypes in yhrd?

My haplotype is HT2 (the lighter wine-colored one). It seems to be most common in North Germany, Denmark, Norway, and up into the Baltic.

I don't know how significant that info is, since it is only based on seven markers.