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  • I realize now that posts like this of mine may sound "ambiguous"

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    • Originally posted by F.E.C.
      Stevo, didn't you succeed in involving the young Cattaneo in this DNA thing like you did with the Irish kid?
      I'm trying to talk him into it, but his parents aren't as free with the cash.

      I think I convinced the Irish kid only because he found out (from me) his surname was one of those "Niall of the All Nighters" surnames.

      Maybe I should convince this kid he could be a descendant of Julius Caesar.

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      • FTDNA Not Testing for R1b1c9

        If you all remember, I sent an email off on Friday (I believe) asking if FTDNA was going to test for R1b1c9, since that subclade is listed on FTDNA's Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree.

        I received a very curt response that informed me simply that FTDNA does not test for R1b1c9. The email referred me to a list of the subclades of R1b1 for which FTDNA does currently test (up through R1b1c8).

        Now my question is this: since FTDNA tests for everything up through R1b1c8, if one receives an SNP result of R1b1c*, does that mean the probability is pretty good that one is R1b1c9?

        I guess it really can't (I'm answering my own dumb question), since there are other markers downstream from R1b1c9, right?

        All those esSes past S21?



        Aw, crumbs!
        Last edited by Stevo; 19 June 2006, 07:14 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Stevo
          If you all remember, I sent an email off on Friday (I believe) asking if FTDNA was going to test for R1b1c9, since that subclade is listed on FTDNA's Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree.

          I received a very curt response that informed me simply that FTDNA does not test for R1b1c9. The email referred me to a list of the subclades of R1b1 for which FTDNA does currently test (up through R1b1c8).

          Now my question is this: since FTDNA tests for everything up through R1b1c8, if one receives an SNP result of R1b1c*, does that mean the probability is pretty good that one is R1b1c9?

          I guess it really can't (I'm answering my own dumb question), since there are other markers downstream from R1b1c9, right?

          All those esSes past S21?



          Aw, crumbs!
          Well, if you get a SNP result that translates into R1b1c*, there certainly is a chance that you're actually R1b1c9. In your case, since you have some marker values that are highly correlated with being S21+, I would say that you have a very good chance of being R1b1c9.

          The two downstream markers of S21 are S26 and S28. I don't think that many S21's have tested positive for either one. I tested negative on both, so I'm R1b1c9*. There is also a subclade known as R1b1c10, which is defined by the S28 SNP. I haven't paid much attention to postings about that, but I believe that David Faux has theorized that S28+ indicates R1b's whose ancestors weathered the Ice Age in a Balkans or Anatolian refugium. So I guess they would be found more in eastern and southeastern Europe.

          Here's the link for the official ISOGG (International Society of Genetic Genealogy) haplogroup tree for the R haplogroups - http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

          Mike

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          • Originally posted by MMaddi
            Well, if you get a SNP result that translates into R1b1c*, there certainly is a chance that you're actually R1b1c9. In your case, since you have some marker values that are highly correlated with being S21+, I would say that you have a very good chance of being R1b1c9.

            The two downstream markers of S21 are S26 and S28. I don't think that many S21's have tested positive for either one. I tested negative on both, so I'm R1b1c9*. There is also a subclade known as R1b1c10, which is defined by the S28 SNP. I haven't paid much attention to postings about that, but I believe that David Faux has theorized that S28+ indicates R1b's whose ancestors weathered the Ice Age in a Balkans or Anatolian refugium. So I guess they would be found more in eastern and southeastern Europe.

            Here's the link for the official ISOGG (International Society of Genetic Genealogy) haplogroup tree for the R haplogroups - http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

            Mike
            Thanks, Mike.

            FTDNA's email response to me was very disappointing. It's discouraging to pay and wait months for a Deep SNP-R1b test knowing that it won't tell me everything I want to know or that is possible to know.

            I wasn't really satisfied with the rather curt answer I received to my first query, so I sent another email asking if they plan to test for R1b1c9 anytime soon.

            I hope everything is going okay with you down there on the Gulf Coast.
            Last edited by Stevo; 19 June 2006, 08:47 PM.

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            • Any news of new research going on with regard to the various R1b populations of Europe?

              Any attempts at greater geographic precision?

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              • Originally posted by MMaddi
                I tested negative on both, so I'm R1b1c9*.
                Mike, actually I know you are R1b1c9*. Then why you're listed as R1b1c9 on John McEwan's table? I think I remember you once asked him to correct your result

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                • Originally posted by Stevo
                  Any attempts at greater geographic precision?
                  I wish there were. Stevo, afterall we R1b's can't complain too much: we're so numerous there's always someone talking about us. How would it be if your hg were G?
                  I'm experiencing what it means to belong to haplogroups no one talks about after testing for mtDNA.
                  I started it all almost 9 months ago and since then, I've seen how boring can be this "peace before the storm", by saying storm I mean sudden sensational announcements by some folks coming out with new SNP's...hope this is the case...
                  Or better, a perfect 25/25 match! This is what I need
                  Last edited by F.E.C.; 20 June 2006, 12:39 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by F.E.C.
                    How would it be if your hg were G?
                    I'm hoping that my cousin (for whose test I am paying) turns out to be F* or P*. Something rare and ancient enough to make him the talk of the town.

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                    • Originally posted by F.E.C.
                      I wish there were. Stevo, afterall we R1b's can't complain too much: we're so numerous there's always someone talking about us.
                      You mean someone is always talking about the Irish among us!

                      The rest of us are just kind of "from Europe" somewhere.

                      Last edited by Stevo; 20 June 2006, 01:09 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by lgmayka
                        I'm hoping that my cousin (for whose test I am paying) turns out to be F* or P*. Something rare and ancient enough to make him the talk of the town.
                        Obviously it wasn't my intention to offend the G's among us.
                        I'm sure you understand this, Igmayka.

                        What I mean is that being rare has its pros and cons. If I were G I would consider myself even more "unique", but on the other hand you may agree with me if I say much more is known about R1b (NW Irish variety, though...right Stevo? ) than G.

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                        • Originally posted by F.E.C.
                          Obviously it wasn't my intention to offend the G's among us.
                          I'm sure you understand this, Igmayka.

                          What I mean is that being rare has its pros and cons. If I were G I would consider myself even more "unique", but on the other hand you may agree with me if I say much more is known about R1b (NW Irish variety, though...right Stevo? ) than G.
                          Actually, it's my maternal uncle who is G2; I'm I1b. But yes, I agree with you completely, that "uniqueness" is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you can feel special and exotic, but on the other hand, most companies consider your market too small to offer special products for and most researchers treat you rather offhandedly as an "outlier," "aberration," or "admixture."

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                          • Originally posted by lgmayka
                            Actually, it's my maternal uncle who is G2; I'm I1b. But yes, I agree with you completely, that "uniqueness" is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you can feel special and exotic, but on the other hand, most companies consider your market too small to offer special products for and most researchers treat you rather offhandedly as an "outlier," "aberration," or "admixture."
                            Well, if you could convince some folks to open a lab in Eastern Europe, you might be in business (for I1b anyway).

                            If we could convince some more Georgians to test, the G level might increase, as well.

                            What about the Genographic Project?

                            Is it tesing in that part of the world?

                            Or is its focus the Third World?

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                            • Indeed, haplogroup G is a mistery.
                              There are a couple of G's on the Italy Project, too. Apparently, one of them is confirmed by a SNP test, while the other one is listed as unpredicted. Both of them are from the south.

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                              • The AMH in YSEARCH

                                I understand the ID number for the AMH in YSEARCH is C7BED.

                                I went to Research Tools and checked my genetic distance from C7BED, which is listed as "Modal R-One-b".

                                I got a genetic distance of 13 at 37 markers.

                                Anybody know any other nifty R1b modals in YSEARCH?

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