If YOU ARE ONE, BE ONE

[Stevo]

Yeah...well...not all R1bs were non-Celt...

That's true, too.

But Celt is an ethnic and linguistic term, not really a genetic one.

While it is probably true that at one time most Celts were R1b (partly by virtue of the fact that most men in Western Europe are R1b), R1b is too widespread to be limited to the Celtic tribes.

I think there were plenty of R1bs who never were Celts.

[GregKiroKH]

I'm in Batch 155. R1b Deep SNP.

Target results date: July 17, 2006.

Yeah, baby!!!

The wait may be longer. I was told that my results would be in early May. Nonetheless, last week I was told that they could not make a conclusion with the first batch. So, now, I might have some results this Friday. (They should have let me in the lab to do the lambda DNA splicing. It would have reminded me of the first time I saw DNA.)

[Stevo]

The wait may be longer. I was told that my results would be in early May. Nonetheless, last week I was told that they could not make a conclusion with the first batch. So, now, I might have some results this Friday. (They should have let me in the lab to do the lambda DNA splicing. It would have reminded me of the first time I saw DNA.)

I'm hoping they will have worked the bugs out of their Deep SNP-R1b technique by July.

I'm also hoping that FTDNA will come up with some new downstream R1b SNPs that will tell us more about our geographic origins.

[Stevo]

R1b Project

Have all you R1b guys joined the R1b Project?

[GregKiroKH]

Have all you R1b guys joined the R1b Project?

I was waiting for my results even though my results were AMC. My mother said my grandfather had a real British accent. Maybe, that is all the testing I needed?

[Stevo]

I was waiting for my results even though my results were AMC. My mother said my grandfather had a real British accent. Maybe, that is all the testing I needed?

British accent?

You might have been R1a, I1a, I1b, or I1c.

Still, I guess the odds on a guy whose paternal grandfather had a British accent being R1b are pretty darn good.

[M.O'Connor]

another Brother?...this is a small World..

[Stevo]

another Brother?...this is a small World..

Or a big y-haplogroup!

(Or both!)



Sometimes I wish it were smaller so that it would be easier to pin down to a specific geographic location or ethnic group.

[Stevo]

If you all get the chance, take a look at the Steffen Project here.

I'm the guy listed as "R1" (that's already been explained) under the Lancaster (Pennsylvania) - Samuel (Stephan) Group.

Most of us are R1b1. We don't have any close matches, but it looks to be like we all have very similar haplotypes (all Germanic?).

Am I mistaken?

Comments?

[GregKiroKH]

British accent?

You might have been R1a, I1a, I1b, or I1c.

Still, I guess the odds on a guy whose paternal grandfather had a British accent being R1b are pretty darn good.

I am interested in what errors they had with my ID. I guess they do not tell people until they are 100% sure

[Stevo]

Only Six Members - Four R1bs

If you all get the chance, take a look at the Steffen Project here.

I'm the guy listed as "R1" (that's already been explained) under the Lancaster (Pennsylvania) - Samuel (Stephan) Group.

Most of us are R1b1. We don't have any close matches, but it looks to be like we all have very similar haplotypes (all Germanic?).

Am I mistaken?

Comments?

I failed to mention that it is easy to examine the Steffen Project's y-results.

There are only six of us thus far, and only four of us (including me) are R1b.

So it won't take you long to check it out and give me your feedback.

I'd appreciate it.

Similar haplotypes?

[EBurgess]

Hmmm...

The 2 Adamstown members appear unrelated with only 9 out of 12. The Stephens City pair is a weak link, 10 out of 12?

I have been burned by 11 on 12 matches with same surname, within 20 miles of one another back in England.

Get your members to upgrade if you can. Twelve markers are not enough to prove, only disprove a relationship. Especilly with a popular surname!

[Stevo]

Hmmm...

The 2 Adamstown members appear unrelated with only 9 out of 12. The Stephens City pair is a weak link, 10 out of 12?

I have been burned by 11 on 12 matches with same surname, within 20 miles of one another back in England.

Get your members to upgrade if you can. Twelve markers are not enough to prove, only disprove a relationship. Especilly with a popular surname!

I am not the administrator of the project, just a participant.

I was aware that we don't match and that some of our members need to upgrade to more markers. Our administrator has asked everyone to test for at least 25 markers.

What I was wondering about is the similarity in the R1b haplotypes. Does it exist?

It seems to me the four R1b members have similar haplotypes.

I wonder if that is attributable to having a common region of origin (western Germany) or just to the fact that R1b haplotypes are all pretty similar.

Nordtvedt's chart of R1b modal haplotypes here seems to be based on the premise that R1b haplotypes can be grouped geographically.

Anyway, thanks for taking a look.

[EBurgess]

Hi Stevo,

I looked at Nordvedt`s chart and I see he has over 30 markers for his chart and that is key. If he were to have based it on a handful of markers like some earlier studies I would have a problem with it and here is why...

In some of our results we see variation for DYS 19 within the same documented family. The same for 385 a and B. It would not surprise me if that is the case with other so-called definitive markers.

So.... How many markers is Ken comfortable with for identifying somebody as a Frisian R1b? What is the margin of error?

[Stevo]

Hi Stevo,

I looked at Nordvedt`s chart and I see he has over 30 markers for his chart and that is key. If he were to have based it on a handful of markers like some earlier studies I would have a problem with it and here is why...

In some of our results we see variation for DYS 19 within the same documented family. The same for 385 a and B. It would not surprise me if that is the case with other so-called definitive markers.

So.... How many markers is Ken comfortable with for identifying somebody as a Frisian R1b? What is the margin of error?

Good points.

You're right, of course.

I think I will post those very questions over on Rootsweb and see if Ken will answer.