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    Hi all : I am an American newbie looking for some direction. My test came back 97 percent British Isles and 3 percent Scandinavian. The phone counsellor said it is not uncommon for people descended from those areas to have Scandinavian strains because of Viking settlements. So my question is how does Norman ancestry manifest itself? I guess I was expecting kind of a percentage pie chart: 20 percent Irish, 20 percent English, etc. But the conselor said the Isles have been so homonogized over the years that it is hard to discern the difference? She did say DNA strains from The Isles are distinct from the European mainland. Is there anybody else out there with similar experience? Thx in advance for any Insights you can provide.

  • #2
    Do your dna results confirm your genealogy?

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    • #3
      I can say that my DNA here at FTDNA is much different than the DNA estimate that I got from Ancestry.com. Here I'm 57% West/Central European and 43% Scandinavia or 100% European. At Ancestry I'm also 100% European, but 57% over there is marked Great Britain. My paper trail shows a number of people from England, Scotland, and Ulster and also ancestors from Flanders, Germany (a number), Switzerland, and France. So who is right? Both if one testing company is looking farther back into my DNA which I think FTDNA does with their sample group. While Ancestry seems to be catching a later grouping or blending of DNA. I think one gets my ancestors and the other gets the ancestors of my ancestors.

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      • #4
        Thx

        Interesting, thx

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        • #5
          Yes

          Originally posted by lmnapl View Post
          Do your dna results confirm your genealogy?
          Yes , I would say it does

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tom Allport View Post
            Yes , I would say it does
            Then that is all that matters.

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            • #7
              thx

              thank you,,

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              • #8
                It seems the Normans are a tricky one to figure out, their upper classes were descended from Viking stock and they intermarried into the local population.
                Supposedly a lot of the invading force came from Brittany, these people would have older British ancestry.
                It may have ben a case of more of the same from a genetic input point of view.

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                • #9
                  thx

                  thx very much..

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                  • #10
                    I hope you got your answer now .

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                    • #11
                      English Heritage

                      So : Are you finding that people with primarily English ( Anglo- Saxon ) heritage are coming up as " British Isles" or is a lot of Scandinavian and Mainland strains showing up ?

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                      • #12
                        My recentish ancestry is 100% Irish and there are two probable Norman surnames amongst my 8 great-grandparents (one of which is thought to trace back to France and others to Franks in modern-day Germany).

                        MyOrigins gives me as 95% British Isles, 4% Middle Eastern and 1% Central/South Asia. So if there is any Norman DNA anywhere in me it doesn't seem to be showing up in my results (and no I have no idea about the non-British Isles results)

                        My wife has a paper trail back to Normans on her English side, so it'll be interesting to see if any of that shows up. However, as most people with deep English ancestry will have Norman DNA somewhere in the mix (even if they can't prove it) I suspect it'd be difficult to tease it out.

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                        • #13
                          INTERESTING..

                          Thank you very much !

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                          • #14
                            My Maternal Grandmother is English, her mother was born in Essex, England and her fathers Grandparents came from England.

                            Her myOrgins comes up
                            Scandinavia 69%
                            British Isles 23%
                            Southern Europe 7%
                            Eastern Europe 2%

                            Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 Oracle4
                            Using 1 population approximation:
                            1 North_Dutch @ 2.128961
                            2 Danish @ 2.483483
                            3 Norwegian @ 2.620324
                            4 Orcadian @ 3.558811
                            5 Irish @ 4.070051
                            6 West_Scottish @ 4.786733
                            7 North_German @ 5.136034
                            8 Swedish @ 5.505856
                            9 Southeast_English @ 5.770779
                            10 Southwest_English @ 6.583644
                            11 South_Dutch @ 10.878980
                            12 West_German @ 12.004745
                            13 North_Swedish @ 12.769837
                            14 East_German @ 15.684598
                            15 Austrian @ 15.963542
                            16 French @ 17.613588
                            17 Hungarian @ 21.150572
                            18 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.006834
                            19 South_Polish @ 25.665970
                            20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 25.692881

                            Using 2 populations approximation:
                            1 50% Norwegian +50% Orcadian @ 1.774732


                            Using 3 populations approximation:
                            1 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Southeast_English @ 1.511437


                            Using 4 populations approximation:
                            1 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 1.455575
                            2 Danish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 1.495506
                            3 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 1.511437
                            4 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 1.517810
                            5 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 1.541086
                            6 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 1.541564
                            7 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 1.546267
                            8 Irish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 1.572618
                            9 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.578377
                            10 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 1.589720
                            11 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 1.603641
                            12 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.607204
                            13 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 1.620403
                            14 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 1.636653
                            15 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 1.645179
                            16 Danish + Danish + Irish + Norwegian @ 1.658377
                            17 Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 1.672387
                            18 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 1.681800
                            19 Danish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 1.683020
                            20 Danish + North_Dutch + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.684126

                            My Paternal Grandfather on the other hand is half Scottish/half Irish

                            His myOrgins comes up
                            99% British Isles
                            1% Southern Europe

                            Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 Oracle4
                            Using 1 population approximation:
                            1 Irish @ 2.501882
                            2 West_Scottish @ 3.564899
                            3 Orcadian @ 4.275593
                            4 North_Dutch @ 5.226871
                            5 Southwest_English @ 5.345757
                            6 Danish @ 6.178254
                            7 Norwegian @ 6.343325
                            8 Southeast_English @ 6.637489
                            9 North_German @ 7.912471
                            10 Swedish @ 9.313532
                            11 South_Dutch @ 11.427782
                            12 West_German @ 12.698009
                            13 North_Swedish @ 16.566671
                            14 French @ 17.373306
                            15 Austrian @ 18.188414
                            16 East_German @ 18.310452
                            17 Hungarian @ 23.524584
                            18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 24.990784
                            19 Southwest_French @ 25.414202
                            20 Southwest_Finnish @ 25.698549

                            Using 2 populations approximation:
                            1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.501882


                            Using 3 populations approximation:
                            1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.501882


                            Using 4 populations approximation:
                            1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.501882
                            2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.729120
                            3 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.863075
                            4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 2.971929
                            5 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.978951
                            6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.991756
                            7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.025362
                            8 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.071897
                            9 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.114848
                            10 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.154606
                            11 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.156194
                            12 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.191346
                            13 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.229663
                            14 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.268000
                            15 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.296018
                            16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 3.301407
                            17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.304161
                            18 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.318285
                            19 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.320415
                            20 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.325074

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by prairielad View Post
                              My Paternal Grandfather on the other hand is half Scottish/half Irish

                              His myOrgins comes up
                              99% British Isles
                              1% Southern Europe

                              Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 Oracle4
                              Using 1 population approximation:
                              1 Irish @ 2.501882
                              2 West_Scottish @ 3.564899
                              3 Orcadian @ 4.275593
                              4 North_Dutch @ 5.226871
                              5 Southwest_English @ 5.345757
                              6 Danish @ 6.178254
                              7 Norwegian @ 6.343325
                              8 Southeast_English @ 6.637489
                              9 North_German @ 7.912471
                              10 Swedish @ 9.313532
                              11 South_Dutch @ 11.427782
                              12 West_German @ 12.698009
                              13 North_Swedish @ 16.566671
                              14 French @ 17.373306
                              15 Austrian @ 18.188414
                              16 East_German @ 18.310452
                              17 Hungarian @ 23.524584
                              18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 24.990784
                              19 Southwest_French @ 25.414202
                              20 Southwest_Finnish @ 25.698549

                              Using 2 populations approximation:
                              1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.501882


                              Using 3 populations approximation:
                              1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.501882


                              Using 4 populations approximation:
                              1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.501882
                              2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.729120
                              3 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.863075
                              4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 2.971929
                              5 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.978951
                              6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.991756
                              7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.025362
                              8 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.071897
                              9 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.114848
                              10 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.154606
                              11 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.156194
                              12 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.191346
                              13 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.229663
                              14 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.268000
                              15 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.296018
                              16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 3.301407
                              17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.304161
                              18 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.318285
                              19 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.320415
                              20 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.325074
                              Interesting. What part of Scotland did your paternal grandfather's ancestors come from? It would seem to have been a very Gaelic area from his results.

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