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**CMMcDonald** · 15 September 2015, 08:49 PM

The Ukrainian from Galicia, could that be a German or Swiss who settled there in the last 400 years?

**rachelleleclaire** · 15 September 2015, 09:45 PM

Its possible, I'm stuck at 1890 genealogically. it would be before that time period... Surnames are Koszlak, Fink, Bruchanska and Rozdobudko. They all seem fairly Ukrainian/Polish.. But the area changed hands a lot through history...

**khazaria** · 15 September 2015, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by rachelleleclaire View Post

Surnames are Koszlak, Fink, Bruchanska and Rozdobudko. They all seem fairly Ukrainian/Polish..

I think your dad's DNA results for his perhaps lower-than-expected amounts of Eastern_Euro and East_Central_Euro in Eurogenes K36 coincide with Sandra Merchant's suggestion to you on Ukraine.com: "Are you sure Krystyna wasn't originally Christina and born to a German family in what is now Ukraine? Fink is a German name."

You've stated your known ancestors from Galitzia were "devout Greek Catholics". Krystyna could have come from a different Christian denomination and converted from Roman Catholicism or Protestantism to Greek Catholicism when she married her husband. The husband's religion was typically taken on, as is also noted by kika3_au to ukraine.com: "It was relatively common for greek catholic/roman catholic intermarriage. My understanding is that often it was the wife who changed to her husband's religion. for example my grandmother was baptised greek catholic and her husband was roman catholic. Upon marriage my grandmother happily followed the roman catholic rite".

As an aside, the name Krystyna and your dad's K36 results are both incompatible with Jewish ancestry for your Fink line, but by coincidence there were some Jewish Finks in the presently-Ukrainian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

**rachelleleclaire** · 16 September 2015, 04:49 AM

Holy crow I almost forgot about my post at Ukraine.com. I guess I'd better go back and read. Krystyna could be from anywhere, all I have on her is her name on her sons marriage record. She was having children in 1890 in Ukraine, so maybe born 1850-1870 as a rough time frame. Ive been mostly wrapped up in my mothers tree so far since this adoptive side was only tentatively my ancestry

. The other 3 names seem pretty eastern European to me... Id have guessed maybe Poland for Bruchanska...

**dna** · 16 September 2015, 08:03 AM

Yes, Fink does not sound Polish http://locatemyname.com/poland/Fink.

Krystyna would be unlikely Christina given that the area at that time was either in the Russian Empire or Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Family name Bruchański (with females offsprings and wives using the form Bruchańska) was known in Poland. There was even a nobility family Bruchański with a coats of arms named Bruchański. As in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth unrelated families shared the same coat of arms (Polish tradition was very well established, but different) I would initially skip the coat of arms angle.

At the time and place, changing of the denomination was possible (as long as it did not involve changing it from Orthodox in the Russian Empire). However, in the villages with mixed populations, it dii happen that husband and wife kept theirs.

Koszlak could initially (before the 19th century) be a name of someone who was from the village of Koszlaki https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koszlaki. If the person was Ukrainian and not Polish, the last name would be likely rendered a little bit differently.

Rozdobudko looks like a typical Ukrainian family name.

Good luck in your research!

Mr. W

**rachelleleclaire** · 16 September 2015, 11:32 AM

Thanks Mr. W! I was hoping for more clues on that Italian orphan ancestor too, but only one match is of obvious Italian ancestry...

**Cami** · 26 September 2015, 03:16 AM

Another reason you don't match many Italians is that not many of them got their dna tested yet.

I'm Italian and I only have 12 (very distant) matches on FTDNA, 2 of them Italian, only 1 IBD.

**1798** · 26 September 2015, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by rachelleleclaire View Post

My father was adopted. I have myself and my mother tested so far, and I've been looking for some answers in my admixture...
My dad is said to come from a half Ukrainian(Galicia), half French Canadian father, and a half Italian (Venice), half French Canadian mother.
Most of my matches that I DONT share with my mom seem to be French in background, a few share surnames with the biological mother, so that much seems to be correct. I just don't have many Italian or Ukrainian sounding matches... and admixture is a bit confusing.
I SHOULD be 50% Latvian, 25% French, 12.5% Ukrainian and 12.5% Italian (no, I know it won't be neat and tidily sorted like that, I just shared for info's sake).

My kit: F431580
Eurogenes K13
Population
North_Atlantic 36.08%
Baltic 40.94%
West_Med 12.22%
West_Asian 1.73%
East_Med 4.33%
Red_Sea 2.35%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.41%
Siberian 0.33%
Amerindian 0.52%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.10%

K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.69%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.07%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.40%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 19.23%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 12.27%
Fennoscandian 12.23%
French 4.39%
Iberian 13.66%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 2.17%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 13.81%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.42%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.93%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.73%

At Gedmatch, I used the phasing tool to try and separate out my dad's admixture...

This is his K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 36.04%
Baltic 24.46%
West_Med 14.19%
West_Asian 1.70%
East_Med 9.57%
Red_Sea 4.01%
South_Asian 0.62%
East_Asian 2.59%
Siberian 0.94%
Amerindian 1.33%
Oceanian 0.36%
Northeast_African 0.31%
Sub-Saharan 3.89%

and his K36:
Population
Amerindian 0.34%
Arabian 1.66%
Armenian -
Basque 1.23%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.54%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.88%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.38%
East_Med 0.76%
Eastern_Euro 6.59%
Fennoscandian 7.92%
French 6.54%
Iberian 16.40%
Indo-Chinese 0.58%
Italian 8.93%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 1.44%
North_Atlantic 15.17%
North_Caucasian 0.14%
North_Sea 6.03%
Northeast_African 1.79%
Oceanian 0.43%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.59%
South_Central_Asian 0.87%
South_Chinese 0.30%
Volga-Ural 2.13%
West_African 2.44%
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.90%

Does this seem consistent with what I "know" about his ancestry? I should add that when I traced his Italian line back, it turns out my great great grandfather was a foundling orphan too, so he could be from anywhere...??? The oracles seem to favour a Spanish influence, but maybe that's just a combination of the French and Italian???

Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle for F431580
# Population Percent
1 West_European 45.14
2 East_European 26.44
3 Mediterranean 21.47
4 West_Asian 3.71
5 Southwest_Asian 1.94
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belorussian + French + Irish + Polish @ 1.009557

This may be the best fit for your dna.

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