Some Sites on the Keltoi Migrations

[Jim Denning]

from the university of wisconsin
the home page

http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/index.html

three good pages

http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol1/1_1/newton_1_1.html

http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_11/gamito_6_11.html

http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_11/gamito_6_11.html

http://www.geocities.com/athens/delphi/3579/\

[Marttinen]

March's National Geographic had an article about the Keltoi. I wish it had more on speculation about the deep origins of the Celts. Maybe some of this DNA searching will lead to new answers.

While taking Theology I came across the "Northern Galatian Theory" which says that St. Paul wrote his Epistle to the Galatians to the Celts (Keltoi) that lived there at the time.

Notice he says in Galatians 3:1, "You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified."

Paul could have been refering to spellbinding preaching, an early passion play or a movie. The movies back then were realistically painted pictures shown in sequence to portray an event. (Check out the quality of artistry on the walls of Pompeii compared to, say, Middle Ages art).

[Jim Denning]

March's National Geographic had an article about the Keltoi. I wish it had more on speculation about the deep origins of the Celts. Maybe some of this DNA searching will lead to new answers.

While taking Theology I came across the "Northern Galatian Theory" which says that St. Paul wrote his Epistle to the Galatians to the Celts (Keltoi) that lived there at the time.

Notice he says in Galatians 3:1, "You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified."

Paul could have been refering to spellbinding preaching, an early passion play or a movie. The movies back then were realistically painted pictures shown in sequence to portray an event. (Check out the quality of artistry on the walls of Pompeii compared to, say, Middle Ages art).

if you dont believe in the bible thats fine and you wont get what i am about to say. and thats fine .i am talking to someone who does
the lord ordered paul to go to the sheep not india where did he go?

thats where the sheep are in fact he made it to britian so he went to all parts of europe

so if you want to quote thats what the keltoi is about those sheep

[Marttinen]

In his letter to the Romans, Paul expressed his desire to go to Spain. There is good scholarly support that says he found time to go there. While I believe he could have gone up to the Green and Pleasant Land, I'm wondering what your sources are to prove this trip. I'm not sceptical, I'm finding the prospect fascinating and would like to be able to call on some material as backup.

[Jim Denning]

In his letter to the Romans, Paul expressed his desire to go to Spain. There is good scholarly support that says he found time to go there. While I believe he could have gone up to the Green and Pleasant Land, I'm wondering what your sources are to prove this trip. I'm not sceptical, I'm finding the prospect fascinating and would like to be able to call on some material as backup.

http://members.aol.com/CARADOC28/ACTS29.html

The above statement was taken from the introductory notes by
Dr. Gene Scott in the book "Did the
Apostle Paul Visit Britain?", by R.W. Morgan, avialable from Dolores Press.

http://www.genescottunivernet.com/books/index.htm

[Jim Denning]

http://members.aol.com/CARADOC28/ACTS29.html

The above statement was taken from the introductory notes by
Dr. Gene Scott in the book "Did the
Apostle Paul Visit Britain?", by R.W. Morgan, avialable from Dolores Press.
http://www.genescottunivernet.com/books/index.htm

remember this was found by a frenchman at a time exhaulting england was dangerous

[Marttinen]

Sorry, but the first link you provided only got me to an invitation to join AOL (which I don't subscribe to). The second link was to the books. Is there another way I can get at the quote?

[Jim Denning]

Sorry, but the first link you provided only got me to an invitation to join AOL (which I don't subscribe to). The second link was to the books. Is there another way I can get at the quote?

YOU CAN GET THIS URL JUST OPEN IT

http://members.aol.com/CARADOC28/ACTS29.html

[derinos]

St Paul got around while in jail?

Another harmless pseudo-Biblical invention ? Art Bell material?
As with the Book of Mormon, (God bess its motivation) it invites
suspicion that the reputed nineteenth century translation is written
in the obviously anachronistic English of the King James Bible, that
of 200 years earlier.
Was this to lend spurious authority? Or just poetic license?
Of course,if this "Acts" supplement is true, it falsifies the
implacable Church dogma that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome
on arrival from Palestine and soon martyred.

[derinos]

St Paul got around while in jail?

Another harmless pseudo-Biblical invention ? Art Bell material?
As with the Book of Mormon, (God bess its motivation) it invites
suspicion that the reputed nineteenth century translation is written
in the obviously anachronistic English of the King James Bible, that
of 200 years earlier.
Was this to lend spurious authority? Or just poetic license?
Of course,if this "Acts" supplement is true, it falsifies the
implacable Church dogma that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome
on arrival from Palestine and soon martyred.

[Jim Denning]

Another harmless pseudo-Biblical invention ? Art Bell material?
As with the Book of Mormon, (God bess its motivation) it invites
suspicion that the reputed nineteenth century translation is written
in the obviously anachronistic English of the King James Bible, that
of 200 years earlier.
Was this to lend spurious authority? Or just poetic license?
Of course,if this "Acts" supplement is true, it falsifies the
implacable Church dogma that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome
on arrival from Palestine and soon martyred.

he was martyred but what you probably dont know is paul was the half brother to a roman senator. do you think any roman citizen could appeal
to ceaser and actually see him lol. just like any child could go and teach the sandhedrien especialy the son of a carpenter. well maybe if that carpenter died and the male responsible for the upbring of his nephew was a member of the sandhedrian named joseph of aramathea.
paul went to rome and england as did peter. see if you knew church histroy you might actually know that the first above ground [legal] church in the world was british. how do i know that well the councils sat by senority and britian was first.
also if you read the bible you'll see the church started in rome was at pricillas house.who was pricilla ? caradoc [caractatus's ]wife. caradoc was the only leader of a enemy ever allowed to address the senate and allowed to live of a portion of the taxes of britian. again with the protection of the roaman senator who was the brother of paul. the bible doesnt have the complete story or how could some people rationalize the denial if they saw the conections to science and potitics. now maybe upon arrival back to rome after the senator dies his situation changes and meets the road home.

this wouldnt be the first time portions of time were skipped

[Jim Denning]

Another harmless pseudo-Biblical invention ? Art Bell material?
As with the Book of Mormon, (God bess its motivation) it invites
suspicion that the reputed nineteenth century translation is written
in the obviously anachronistic English of the King James Bible, that
of 200 years earlier.
Was this to lend spurious authority? Or just poetic license?
Of course,if this "Acts" supplement is true, it falsifies the
implacable Church dogma that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome
on arrival from Palestine and soon martyred.

the 29th chapter of acts isnt in the bible.it is a product of archealogy
you know a science. one of those things men dig for and kill for. for our sake little arab boys go to caves and find scrolls which they turn into cash.
like the dead sea scrolls they are archeologcal finds not the figment of some one. you know some crazy religous person. many of the great scientist saw god in their science. it wasnt until the germans introduced relativism into universities that god had no role. and we saw what that lead to when godless scientists ran auschwitz for i.g.farben.pulitzer prize winners
using slave danish then jewish and gypsies to laborize their camps . their science developed buna soup. this concoction was designed to keep a worker alive for 3 months until he died of waste. scientists did that.mengle worked for bayer which was part of i.g.farben.
you might concider reading the crimes and punishments of I. G. Farben by jospeh borkin. the american prosecutor of new jersey standard which kept the patterns for sythetic oil,gas,and rubber from the american govt. for the german industrial giant durring ww2
yeah lots of stuff happens in this world that effects where people migrate
knowledge helps to understand these things dispite the scource the bible or u.s. court records.thats called genealogy another science soft as it might be

[Marttinen]

I'd like to add this little quote that lead me to the possibility of Paul's travel further west:

Clement of Rome (ca. 95) records that Paul "taught the whole world uprightness and traveled to the extreme west (epi to terma teµs dyseoµs elthoµn). And after he had borne witness before the authorities, he was taken from this world and went to the holy place, having proved himself the greatest model of endurance." (Google it to find the reference)

Luke records that Paul spent 1 1/2 years plus "some time after that" in Corinth (Acts 18:11 and 18). Paul usually hated to stay still at established churches (or the Judaisers hated for him to sit for a while anywhere) so a power visit to Maidenhead or Stains wouldn't have been out of the question timewise for the Apostle.

Of course there's a big "argument out of silence" here but my training has limited me to using the Canon Scripture and the early "Church Fathers" to back up statements.

[LeoLoS]

yeah lots of stuff happens in this world that effects where people migrate knowledge helps to understand these things dispite the scource the bible or u.s. court records.thats called genealogy another science soft as it might be

As you surf on Internet you encounter a lot of sites between heaven and earth. Here is one that have the bible and modern genealogy as inspiration, trying to make a synthesis out of them:

http://www.logon.org/english/s/p265.html

How relevant this is I can't judge, am not an expert on neither bible nor haplogroups, just learned a bit of E3b. Maybe more your field Jim. Only notice that they make a reference to FamilyTreeDNA as they mention haplogroup E3b.

[Victor]

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How relevant this is I can't judge, am not an expert on neither bible nor haplogroups, just learned a bit of E3b. <<<>>>

You don't need to be an expert in the bible nor in genetics to realize that what they're attempting in that site is simply an unnatural fit of a religious belief to scientific facts or viceversa, to say the least.