37 marker test taken. no matches at 12, 25 or 37 what gives?

[swedesen]

I am a newby. And a bit confused.

My Predicted Haplogroup is R-M512

I ended up with no matches at 12, 25 or 37 which is a bit discouraging.

I did email family tree asking for an explanation and received this response:

You have a few uncommon values in the database and one rare value (at DYS 388) in the first 12 markers which is preventing you from having any matches at the Y-DNA 12 marker level and this just carries over into the higher levels of testing. As to why you have these values it would be speculation. You may descend from an uncommon population that we have not tested much before. It is possible that your ancestors were not very prolific so there simply aren't many people out there in the world that would match you. [/I]


My Ydna originated in Sweden in the 1850's. I would imagine that is not so uncommon. Can anyone shed some light on who my people may have been and why they are so rare?



PANEL 1 (1-12)
Marker DYS393 DYS390 DYS19** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II***
Value 13 25 15 10 11-14 12 10 11 14 12 30
PANEL 2 (13-25)
Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
Value 15 9-10 11 11 25 14 19 32 12-15-15-17
PANEL 3 (26-37)
Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
Value 10 11 19-23 16 15 18 19 34-39 14 11

[Littlest bit]

Have you joined any groups? Joining groups can potentially give you matches that wouldn't have otherwise showed up.

Not sure why your Y is so uncommon. I manage 2 Y tests myself: one is an uncommon Welsh lineage who only had one match at 12 markers and the other is an Irish lineage with around 700 12 marker matches. Both are subgroups of R-L21! Could be database issues such that there are more Irish descended testers than Welsh testers, or in your case, Swedish testers. But it could be due to genetic winners who were prolific and left more descendants. I've read a lot of Welsh Y threads and they never list my grandpa's Y lineage, so it's probably even uncommon there in addition to being uncommon in general. Maybe, like my grandpa, you carry a now uncommon version in Sweden?

[lgmayka]

Can anyone shed some light on who my people may have been and why they are so rare?

Have you joined the R1a Project yet? If so, what is your kit number?

Offhand, I would say you belong to R1a-L664, the Northwestern European clade of R1a.

[CJD1965]

My Predicted Haplogroup is R-M512

R-M512 is a parent Haplogroup. If you were an actual M512 you would have thousands of matches. My guess is that the best they can do for you.

Have you joined the R1a Project yet? If so, what is your kit number?

Offhand, I would say you belong to R1a-L664, the Northwestern European clade of R1a.

I would definitely suggest you join this group.

[prairielad]

My maternal uncle is R-M512 (CTS4179-). His paternal line is out of 1720, Inderøy, Norway.

He has only 2 matches on each level to 67 markers

1st one is 5 GD@67 out of Lidböle, Nordingrå, Sweden (R-L448)
2nd is 6GD@67 out of Finland (R-M512)

[prairielad]

Just to note based on your 37 markers, my Uncle, who is most likely R-L448 has the following GD to you

9 GD @ 12
14GD @ 25
23GD @ 37

[swedesen]

Offhand, I would say you belong to R1a-L664, the Northwestern European clade of R1a.
[QUOTE=lgmayka;404429]Have you joined the R1a Project yet? If so, what is your kit number?

Thanks for all the responses

I Went to the R1A Project and submitted a request to join not sure how to proceed from here.

I think my kit number is B28990 unless they assign separate numbers for each test.

[lgmayka]

I Went to the R1A Project and submitted a request to join not sure how to proceed from here.

I think my kit number is B28990 unless they assign separate numbers for each test.

Yes, you joined. You clearly belong to the L664 branch, but you are numerically rather distant from everyone else in that branch--suggesting that your lineage has been separated from the bulk of L664 for a long time.