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    Hello,

    New to the forum and DNA tracing. I received my 12 marker results and have been determined thru SNP testing that I am in the rare subgroup I* of Haplogroup I. I have searched a found a little information on the other subgroups of I (Ia, Ib, etc) but have found no information on the I* subgroup. From what I gather only 5% of the I haplogroup is I*. Does anyone know where I can find information on this subgroup and would a larger marker test give me better information on this subgroups origin/ethnicity? I am clueless about my paternal fathers side including the surname and this rare subgroup identification does not help. Thanks

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    Originally posted by camoe
    Hello,

    New to the forum and DNA tracing. I received my 12 marker results and have been determined thru SNP testing that I am in the rare subgroup I* of Haplogroup I. I have searched a found a little information on the other subgroups of I (Ia, Ib, etc) but have found no information on the I* subgroup. From what I gather only 5% of the I haplogroup is I*. Does anyone know where I can find information on this subgroup and would a larger marker test give me better information on this subgroups origin/ethnicity? I am clueless about my paternal fathers side including the surname and this rare subgroup identification does not help. Thanks
    Your I* result is actually your first stop in your genetic exploration itinerary. In other words, that was as far as your initial $99 fare could take you. If you're interested in going deeper and learn which subgroup you belong to, you guessed it... is going to cost you a little more.

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    • #3
      Actually I* is my subgroup of Halogroup I. Just like I1a is a subgroup only my subgroup is just called I* verified thru SNP testing. Is there a lower level of subgroups below I*, I1a, I1b, etc.?

      In other words my last marker is m170, I don't have any other markers beyond that. National Geographic can only speculate that I originate from the original Celtic line in the Balkins. All the other I subgroups divert from there to Norway, southern France, etc. But my markers just stop and only 1% of Europeans are I*. Also I* is not found outside of Europe (on a whole).

      Thanks
      Last edited by camoe; 14 February 2006, 05:46 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by camoe
        Actually I* is my subgroup of Halogroup I. Just like I1a is a subgroup only my subgroup is just called I* verified thru SNP testing. Is there a lower level of subgroups below I*, I1a, I1b, etc.?

        In other words my last marker is m170, I don't have any other markers beyond that. National Geographic can only speculate that I originate from the original Celtic line in the Balkins. All the other I subgroups divert from there to Norway, southern France, etc. But my markers just stop and only 1% of Europeans are I*. Also I* is not found outside of Europe (on a whole).

        Thanks
        OK.
        If that is the case I guess you'll have to wait until your haplogroup's branches are better defined. As you know, we're still far away from hearing the last word on the phylogeny of the Y chromosome.

        And just in case you haven't stumbled with Mr. Nordtvedt web page dedicated to haplogroup I, here it is:
        http://www.northwestanalysis.net/

        Good luck!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Victor
          OK.
          If that is the case I guess you'll have to wait until your haplogroup's branches are better defined. As you know, we're still far away from hearing the last word on the phylogeny of the Y chromosome.

          And just in case you haven't stumbled with Mr. Nordtvedt web page dedicated to haplogroup I, here it is:
          http://www.northwestanalysis.net/

          Good luck!
          Thanks a lot for the link. That's the best information I have seen yet. Particulary,
          Rootsi et al have reported a small population of I* haplotypes; however they did not test for the P38 SNP, so it is presently not possible to know if their unaffiliated haplotypes are I* or I1*. The dotted lines connecting P78 and P95 to M223 indicate that exactly where and in which temporal order these SNPs establish subclades within I1c is yet to be determined by future haplotype testing for these SNPs
          I know need to find out if the current 43 marker test covers those particulars. Thanks again. I'm now starting to understand the power of this testing and the frustration at the lack of data. Terrible thing for the impaitent types..

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          • #6
            Camoe,

            Wish this could be more helpful (with links and such), but there is a ton of stuff on Hap I here on the forum, including (1) a raging debate whether Hap I is tied to Indo European origins; (2) a post on the origin of the extreme western subclade of Hap I and a bunch of other stuff. Hope you can find the posts and pleasant reading.

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            • #7
              halpogroup I, M17O+ P19+

              Can anyone help decipher the meaning of "M170+ P19+" as it relates to Halpogroup I?

              Thanks

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              • #8
                Originally posted by stefos
                Can anyone help decipher the meaning of "M170+ P19+" as it relates to Halpogroup I?

                Thanks
                You can find all the information here:
                http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html

                As an example, I am P37.2+ which means that I am I1b1. I am P41.2- which means that I am NOT I1b1a. I am M26- which means that I am NOT I1b1b. Therefore I am I1b1*.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stefos
                  Can anyone help decipher the meaning of "M170+ P19+" as it relates to Halpogroup I?
                  According to the haplogroup tree, M170 and P19 are equivalent, meaning that they both indicate haplogroup I but nothing more. To know more, you would need the status of P38, P37.2, etc.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for your sugestion,
                    My further testing came in and shows: Halpogroup I1c, and M170+ M223+ M258+ P19+ P38+ M161- M21- M227- M253- M26- M307- M72- P30- P37.2-

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                    • #11
                      DeepSNP-I results for a representative member of our group were posted yesterday. It shows him to be I1 (no asterisk):
                      M170+ M258+ P19+ P38+ M161- M21- M223- M227- M253- M26- M307- M72- P30- P37.2-

                      The Phylogenetic Tree chart has an asterisk (*) after I1 which, according to the table at http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenc...em/table1.html, indicates the presence of a node and is represented by YCC 61 (population from Germany) and YCC 74 (population from Russia).

                      Should I conclude that "our" group does not have the node and therefore may not actually fit into YCC 61 or 74 population groups?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gwenboucher
                        DeepSNP-I results for a representative member of our group were posted yesterday. It shows him to be I1 (no asterisk):
                        M170+ M258+ P19+ P38+ M161- M21- M223- M227- M253- M26- M307- M72- P30- P37.2-

                        The Phylogenetic Tree chart has an asterisk (*) after I1 which, according to the table at http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenc...em/table1.html, indicates the presence of a node and is represented by YCC 61 (population from Germany) and YCC 74 (population from Russia).

                        Should I conclude that "our" group does not have the node and therefore may not actually fit into YCC 61 or 74 population groups?
                        I encourage you to follow the ISOGG tree, which is more up-to-date and accurate than the YCC tree.

                        http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html

                        Your results mean that you could be I1*, I1b*, or I1b2*. FTDNA does not test the SNPs that are needed to tell the difference (S31 and S23).

                        An asterisk only means that you've been tested negative for every downstrem marker (and are therefore on a node).
                        Last edited by vineviz; 1 December 2006, 12:38 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vineviz
                          I encourage you to follow the ISOGG tree, which is more up-to-date and accurate than the YCC tree.

                          http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html

                          Your results mean that you could be I1*, I1b*, or I1b2*. FTDNA does not test the SNPs that are needed to tell the difference (S31 and S23).

                          An asterisk only means that you've been tested negative for every downstrem marker (and are therefore on a node).

                          Thank you very much for your explanation.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gwenboucher
                            DeepSNP-I results for a representative member of our group were posted yesterday. It shows him to be I1 (no asterisk):
                            M170+ M258+ P19+ P38+ M161- M21- M223- M227- M253- M26- M307- M72- P30- P37.2-

                            The Phylogenetic Tree chart has an asterisk (*) after I1 which, according to the table at http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenc...em/table1.html, indicates the presence of a node and is represented by YCC 61 (population from Germany) and YCC 74 (population from Russia).

                            Should I conclude that "our" group does not have the node and therefore may not actually fit into YCC 61 or 74 population groups?
                            Hello Gwenboucher,

                            What is the country of origin of your group member? Is it possible to see his haplotype?

                            I am from Georgia, the Caucasus with uncommon haplotype and haven't met yet any I-haplogroup folks with close matches.

                            You can see my haplotype at Y-Search: 8RU2S

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                            • #15
                              New Y-Hg I1a SNPs

                              Five new SNPs are available for Y-Haplogroup I1a. See:
                              http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-12/1165116137
                              and
                              http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-12/1165113593
                              Floyd Oakes
                              Y-I1a
                              K-K1a

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