Advice Needed Please

[Jim Denning]

Hello Everyone,
I have found this discussion very interesting. I have a male cousin who just might be my biological brother. I am getting is Y-DNA now to see if and exactly how similiar ours might be. There are some major family secrets around all this so I want to be accurate and I want to be discrete. My assumption is that if my cousin and I are brothers to a common father, we would match with the Y-DNA test. Is that accurate?
Thanx,
Bob

same males from same male ydna lines match but will their mtdna?

i have a lawrence denning born to theresa denning no father listed theresa disappears but her sister mary denning has lawrence adopted as larwrence dunlea. the only unknown is whose the dad?
lets assume it isnt the james dunlea marys hubby. but maybe since its from chelsea ma. just maybe the ydna is common there.
you test their decendents and you establish lawrence mtdna it would match both real mom and adopted andhis siblings of mary
so then you test his ydna and his step brother james jr. lets say you dont know the genealogy or anything about theresa. james and larry match mtdna but what about ydna if they didnt match . the decendents would assume mary cheated. what if they dna matched then you would suspect notihing happened but since we know would that deffinatly mean james did both?
no
here is a sampling of the r1bs in my chelsea project
R1b1 12 24 15 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 14 28 17 9 10 11 11 25 14 18 30 15 16
R1b1 13 23 13 10 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 28
R1b1 13 23 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 13 14 29
R1b1 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 14 19 28 15 16
R1b1 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16
R1b1 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 12 13 27
R1b1 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 11 13 13 28
R1b1 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 27 18 9 9 10 11 24 15 19 31 15 15
R1b1 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 30 15 15
R1b1 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 19 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 30 15 15
R1b1c13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 29 15 16
R1b1 13 24 14 12 11 13 12 12 13 13 13 29
R1b1 13 24 15 10 11 15 12 12 11 13 13 29
R1b1 13 24 15 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30
R1b1 13 24 15 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30
R1b1 13 25 14 10 12 15 12 12 12 13 13 29
R1b1 13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 14 14 30



and thats just 17 people

good luck making that jump. sometimes you need to understand this stuff happens maybe theresa died in child birth and the child just went to her sister.

one thing that happens in this case is you would be forced to look for why and that would lead you to this answer .its in the paperwork. it wouldnt be a denning we are e3b1 s

[Lost-Sheep]

Hi Bob,

Your question is a loaded gun, indeed! You are correct that your biological brother (who is officially your cousin) and yourself would indeed share the Y-DNA as your biological father.

What complicates matters is that if this alleged sibling is on your biological father's side of the family, his Y-DNA, your Y-DNA and your biological father's Y-DNA would all be the same anyway even if he is not your brother, i.e., paternal cousins share the same Y-DNA.

[Bob Swinea]

Hello Everyone,
I have found this discussion very interesting. I have a male cousin who just might be my biological brother. I am getting is Y-DNA now to see if and exactly how similiar ours might be. There are some major family secrets around all this so I want to be accurate and I want to be discrete. My assumption is that if my cousin and I are brothers to a common father, we would match with the Y-DNA test. Is that accurate?
Thanx,
Bob

[Lost-Sheep]

I have a couple of illegitimate ancestors a few generations back just like you.

I care!

Lets just hope I can talk my brother into it... I am the only one who is doing or cares about any research in my family...

Oneida

[Lost-Sheep]

Oneida,

Right now, you know nothing. For a $100.00 Genographic Project fee you have the opportunity to acquire the Y-DNA of your unknown great-grandfather. Your brother is the ONLY person left alive on earth who has this Y-DNA.

For all you know, your brother's Y-DNA might be so rare that it might stick out like a sore thumb if another match comes along. Now go out there and get that Y-DNA before it is too late...

What do you have to lose?

Hi Jim,

I was told by someone in a Ward DNA project that since the man that fathered my Grandfather was not a Ward that my brother could not do the Ward DNA test. Because the Ward came from my Great Grandmother's maiden name.

I am finding all this very interesting.........

Oneida

[Jim Denning]

Lost-Sheep,

I would love to test my brothers DNA, but without knowing who the father of my grandfather was, the test will do me no-good.

Here is how it goes.
Oneida Ward- Me
James Ward- My father
Jesse Ward - My Grandfather
Mary Ward- My Great Grandmother... Father of Jesse unknown

So I have no Surname to test my brother for.....

Thanks again for all your advice,
Oneida

if you test and join the ward project and a geographical project in where the people came from or to. that way you get matches and leads

Lost-Sheep,

I would love to test my brothers DNA, but without knowing who the father of my grandfather was, the test will do me no-good.

Here is how it goes.
Oneida Ward- Me
James Ward- My father
Jesse Ward - My Grandfather
Mary Ward- My Great Grandmother... Father of Jesse unknown

So I have no Surname to test my brother for.....

Thanks again for all your advice,
Oneida

[Lost-Sheep]

Oneida,

You should at least have your brother Y-DNA tested since he carries the same Y-DNA as the man who fathered your grandfather.

Good luck in your journey...

I just wanted to thank everybody for their help..
Maybe one day, they will make DNA easier for people like me...

Thanks again,
Oneida

[haplogroupc]

Oneida,

Are you hoping that your DNA will match theirs? I'm no expert but from the looks of it, neither test would help you prove what you're looking for. Your mtDNA comes from your mom's side but Mary and her sisters have their own mother's mtDNA so there wouldn’t be a match there. And Mary didn’t pass down her father’s Y-DNA to her son because that’s not possible. Her son got his Y-DNA from his father, not Mary's father. That's the Y-DNA you (if you're male) and your brother got.

[Jim Denning]

actually i thought about it and tht answer was simplistic

did your grand dad have sisters maybe its 2daughters do they hve daughters
test them find some female relative maybe from a sister of you ggrand mom this trianglization will confirm your grand moms mtdna if they match
then test the brothers if they match find one or two male relatives of your grand dad he should match your brother if they all came from him
that could be the best you can do
also in familes like this mtdna might show up again


Mary had siblings, If I can find a female sibling of Mary's, and then female siblings of theirs, can I use their mtdna?

exactly

now out side dna
most states have rules on releasing birth certs of illegitimate they only go to parents or the kid. but the state archives has records you can look at probably. go see the records

basicly you need to find relatives before and after the ggrandmom and gdad.
test them and see what you get
one way of doing this ia a geographical study

let me assume that this happened in a small town

do a study of that town or area .
thats what i did in chelsea ma.,frosinone, brighton /newton, cty-longford/

i am looking for matches in ydna and MTDNA especialy

[Lost-Sheep]

Argh! Whatever Jim said is fact!

I give up!

[Jim Denning]

Hi Jim,

Long story short, Mary had 4 children out of wed-lock, gave all 4 her last name. They were all raised by family memebers... No father/fathers for any of them....

My Grandfather is dead, My father is dead... I have a brother and sister.....

We know that our Great Grandmother is named Mary...We know that some of Mary's children were living with Mary's father. But without DNA or Birth Certificates I can't prove it to anybody else...

Mary had siblings, If I can find a female sibling of Mary's, and then female siblings of theirs, can I use their mtdna?

Oneida

actually i thought about it and tht answer was simplistic

did your grand dad have sisters maybe its 2daughters do they hve daughters
test them find some female relative maybe from a sister of you ggrand mom this trianglization will confirm your grand moms mtdna if they match
then test the brothers if they match find one or two male relatives of your grand dad he should match your brother if they all came from him
that could be the best you can do
also in familes like this mtdna might show up again


Mary had siblings, If I can find a female sibling of Mary's, and then female siblings of theirs, can I use their mtdna?

exactly

now out side dna
most states have rules on releasing birth certs of illegitimate they only go to parents or the kid. but the state archives has records you can look at probably. go see the records