Advice Needed Please

[Oneida]

HI

I am new here and not sure I am posting in the right place, so forgive me if I am in the wrong place . Okay, so here goes......

My Great Grandmother had my Grandfather out of wed lock, she didn't raise my Grandfather, But she did give him her last name. There is no Birth Record to be found for my Grandfather

How can I prove with DNA that Mary is my Great Grandmother and that the man I think is Mary's father, is my Great Great Grandfather?



Thank you for your time and help,
Oneida

[Lost-Sheep]

You find a direct paternal (male) legitimate descendant of your alleged great grandfather and compare his Y-DNA against a direct paternal descendant of your grandfather.

Use any and all lies necessary to aquire the Y-DNA of your alleged illigitimate great-grandfather! <innocent> <halo>

[Jim Denning]

HI

I am new here and not sure I am posting in the right place, so forgive me if I am in the wrong place . Okay, so here goes......

My Great Grandmother had my Grandfather out of wed lock, she didn't raise my Grandfather, But she did give him her last name. There is no Birth Record to be found for my Grandfather

How can I prove with DNA that Mary is my Great Grandmother and that the man I think is Mary's father, is my Great Great Grandfather?



Thank you for your time and help,
Oneida

whose alive?

if your grand dad is alive get him tested asap for mtdna then get a decended all female from ggrand ma and see if the mtdna is a match
thats the only way since his dna isnt past that you can know for sure

[Oneida]

Hi Jim,

Long story short, Mary had 4 children out of wed-lock, gave all 4 her last name. They were all raised by family memebers... No father/fathers for any of them....

My Grandfather is dead, My father is dead... I have a brother and sister.....

We know that our Great Grandmother is named Mary...We know that some of Mary's children were living with Mary's father. But without DNA or Birth Certificates I can't prove it to anybody else...

Mary had siblings, If I can find a female sibling of Mary's, and then female siblings of theirs, can I use their mtdna?

Oneida

[Jim Denning]

Hi Jim,

Long story short, Mary had 4 children out of wed-lock, gave all 4 her last name. They were all raised by family memebers... No father/fathers for any of them....

My Grandfather is dead, My father is dead... I have a brother and sister.....

We know that our Great Grandmother is named Mary...We know that some of Mary's children were living with Mary's father. But without DNA or Birth Certificates I can't prove it to anybody else...

Mary had siblings, If I can find a female sibling of Mary's, and then female siblings of theirs, can I use their mtdna?

Oneida

actually i thought about it and tht answer was simplistic

did your grand dad have sisters maybe its 2daughters do they hve daughters
test them find some female relative maybe from a sister of you ggrand mom this trianglization will confirm your grand moms mtdna if they match
then test the brothers if they match find one or two male relatives of your grand dad he should match your brother if they all came from him
that could be the best you can do
also in familes like this mtdna might show up again


Mary had siblings, If I can find a female sibling of Mary's, and then female siblings of theirs, can I use their mtdna?

exactly

now out side dna
most states have rules on releasing birth certs of illegitimate they only go to parents or the kid. but the state archives has records you can look at probably. go see the records

[Lost-Sheep]

Argh! Whatever Jim said is fact!

I give up!

[Jim Denning]

actually i thought about it and tht answer was simplistic

did your grand dad have sisters maybe its 2daughters do they hve daughters
test them find some female relative maybe from a sister of you ggrand mom this trianglization will confirm your grand moms mtdna if they match
then test the brothers if they match find one or two male relatives of your grand dad he should match your brother if they all came from him
that could be the best you can do
also in familes like this mtdna might show up again


Mary had siblings, If I can find a female sibling of Mary's, and then female siblings of theirs, can I use their mtdna?

exactly

now out side dna
most states have rules on releasing birth certs of illegitimate they only go to parents or the kid. but the state archives has records you can look at probably. go see the records

basicly you need to find relatives before and after the ggrandmom and gdad.
test them and see what you get
one way of doing this ia a geographical study

let me assume that this happened in a small town

do a study of that town or area .
thats what i did in chelsea ma.,frosinone, brighton /newton, cty-longford/

i am looking for matches in ydna and MTDNA especialy

[haplogroupc]

Oneida,

Are you hoping that your DNA will match theirs? I'm no expert but from the looks of it, neither test would help you prove what you're looking for. Your mtDNA comes from your mom's side but Mary and her sisters have their own mother's mtDNA so there wouldn’t be a match there. And Mary didn’t pass down her father’s Y-DNA to her son because that’s not possible. Her son got his Y-DNA from his father, not Mary's father. That's the Y-DNA you (if you're male) and your brother got.

[Oneida]

I just wanted to thank everybody for their help..
Maybe one day, they will make DNA easier for people like me...

Thanks again,
Oneida

[Lost-Sheep]

Oneida,

You should at least have your brother Y-DNA tested since he carries the same Y-DNA as the man who fathered your grandfather.

Good luck in your journey...

[Oneida]

Lost-Sheep,

I would love to test my brothers DNA, but without knowing who the father of my grandfather was, the test will do me no-good.

Here is how it goes.
Oneida Ward- Me
James Ward- My father
Jesse Ward - My Grandfather
Mary Ward- My Great Grandmother... Father of Jesse unknown

So I have no Surname to test my brother for.....

Thanks again for all your advice,
Oneida

[Jim Denning]

Lost-Sheep,

I would love to test my brothers DNA, but without knowing who the father of my grandfather was, the test will do me no-good.

Here is how it goes.
Oneida Ward- Me
James Ward- My father
Jesse Ward - My Grandfather
Mary Ward- My Great Grandmother... Father of Jesse unknown

So I have no Surname to test my brother for.....

Thanks again for all your advice,
Oneida

if you test and join the ward project and a geographical project in where the people came from or to. that way you get matches and leads

[Oneida]

Hi Jim,

I was told by someone in a Ward DNA project that since the man that fathered my Grandfather was not a Ward that my brother could not do the Ward DNA test. Because the Ward came from my Great Grandmother's maiden name.

I am finding all this very interesting.........

Oneida

[Lost-Sheep]

Oneida,

Right now, you know nothing. For a $100.00 Genographic Project fee you have the opportunity to acquire the Y-DNA of your unknown great-grandfather. Your brother is the ONLY person left alive on earth who has this Y-DNA.

For all you know, your brother's Y-DNA might be so rare that it might stick out like a sore thumb if another match comes along. Now go out there and get that Y-DNA before it is too late...

What do you have to lose?

[Oneida]

Lets just hope I can talk my brother into it... I am the only one who is doing or cares about any research in my family...

Oneida