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    Hi guys!
    Currently a 312+ U152- L21- L2- and waiting the results of a Df27 test.

    How much is known about Df27 and its origins? Would love to know more.

    I come from east england.

    Regards Lee.

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    All we know is that the highest frequency is in the Pyrenees among the Spanish and French Basque and the Catalans. The further away from the Pyrenees the percentage goes down but it is still strongest in Iberia and still significant in France. The lower percentage in France might be due to competition with it's cousins U152, L21, and U106. We still don't know for sure where DF27 first appeared but it shouldn't be far from the Pyrenees because U106, L21, and U152 are closely related and their hotspots aren't very far relatively speaking.

    Here are screenshots from the results of published studies that show the percentage of DF27. These studies only published results of unrelated people in a genealogical time frame.

    Martínez Cruz et al.
    http://i.imgur.com/0CMAxOB.png

    Busby et al.
    http://i.imgur.com/YVb8Mlx.png

    Southeast England has DF27 at 21.2% per the Busby et al study.

    There are a lot of SNP markers that are known that exist downstream from DF27. Have you tested elsewhere? Geno 2.0 or 23andme?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Leeb View Post
      Hi guys!
      Currently a 312+ U152- L21- L2- and waiting the results of a Df27 test.

      How much is known about Df27 and its origins? Would love to know more.

      I come from east england.

      Regards Lee.
      If you're DF27+, you might consider testing for L617(below DF27),this been found in people from East Anglia. If you did the Geno 2.0 L617 is included, so you would need to just check your results.
      Last edited by EastAnglian; 5 November 2014, 01:30 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by EastAnglian View Post
        If you're DF27+, you might consider testing for L617(below DF27),this been found in people from East Anglia. If you did the Geno 2.0 L617 is included, so you would need to just check your results.
        Thanks for the reply guys,I'm also from east Anglia be interesting to see if I'm a Df27+.

        I have tested 67 markers and a few snps with Ftdna only...unfortunately I don't have any matches past 12 markers ,and they are Gd of 1...and everything from u198 L2 and L165 .

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        • #5
          Got a positive for Df27, where do I go from here?,considered taking the Big y but the cost is just to much..

          My main interest lies in finding out about possible groups my ancestors could have been apart of not in finding lost relatives..

          Any help would be appreciated.

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          • #6
            I'm interested in EastAnglian's response but right now it seems the next best test after the BigY is BritainsDNA Chromo2 raw DNA test. It has most, and maybe all, of the SNPs on the YFull DF27 tree including L617. http://www.yfull.com/tree/R1b1a2a1a2a/

            Geno 2.0 doesn't have as much coverage.

            Otherwise, you can wait until FTDNA releases an SNP-pack and see if most of those SNPs are included. We have no idea when the SNP-pack is going to be released.

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            • #7
              Hi guys! Thought I would bump this post...was wondering if we know anything more about the Origins of Df27?

              I know genetics is a slow process but I was wondering what the thoughts are leaning towards June 2015

              Heard something about Df27 being very high in Normady? Is this correct.

              Thanks.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Leeb View Post
                Hi guys! Thought I would bump this post...was wondering if we know anything more about the Origins of Df27?

                I know genetics is a slow process but I was wondering what the thoughts are leaning towards June 2015

                Heard something about Df27 being very high in Normady? Is this correct.

                Thanks.
                Here is a map of DF27.
                http://www.semargl.me/haplogroups/maps/388/

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leeb View Post
                  Hi guys! Thought I would bump this post...was wondering if we know anything more about the Origins of Df27?

                  I know genetics is a slow process but I was wondering what the thoughts are leaning towards June 2015 Thanks.
                  There hasn't been anything new on DF27 that I have heard of. P312, the direct ancestor of DF27, was found in the ancient remains of a Bell Beaker from 2296-2206 BC from Quedlinburg, Germany. Maybe DF27 was born in that region, maybe in France, or another country bordering Germany. I don't think that we will ever be sure which part of western Europe it was born in.


                  Originally posted by Leeb View Post
                  Heard something about Df27 being very high in Normady? Is this correct.

                  Thanks.
                  I would like to know what that is based on. There really needs to be a large western European study that includes testing of DF27 which is hard to test for so they need to make sure they setup the test in a way they can detect DF27.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Armando View Post
                    There hasn't been anything new on DF27 that I have heard of. P312, the direct ancestor of DF27, was found in the ancient remains of a Bell Beaker from 2296-2206 BC from Quedlinburg, Germany. Maybe DF27 was born in that region, maybe in France, or another country bordering Germany. I don't think that we will ever be sure which part of western Europe it was born in.




                    I would like to know what that is based on. There really needs to be a large western European study that includes testing of DF27 which is hard to test for so they need to make sure they setup the test in a way they can detect DF27.
                    Which subgroup did the ancient remains of the BB belong to? P312 is older than 4,300 years.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      Which subgroup did the ancient remains of the BB belong to? P312 is older than 4,300 years.
                      Yes, that doesn't mean the ancient specimen had descendants that lived to modern times that we have been able to find SNPs for that the specimen would have tested positive for. You can find more info about the specimen by down loading the files at http://biorxiv.org/content/early/201...3.figures-only

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                      • #12
                        Leeb,

                        There is a brand new study that was published today that includes a DF27 Bell Beaker specimen. See http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...-et-al-2015%29

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Armando. The Z196+ Z195- result if correct is interesting.

                          Earl.

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                          • #14
                            The ancient remains from German BB was Z196 which is an Iberian branch of P312. That would suggest that the Beakers came from Iberia which has the earliest form of Beaker pottery.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Earl Davis View Post
                              Thanks Armando. The Z196+ Z195- result if correct is interesting.

                              Earl.
                              Richard Rocca is the one that reported it and he is one of the authors of the first study to include DF27 so I don't doubt that is correct. Here is his study http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0041634

                              He is getting the files from the Read Files tab at http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB9021

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