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  • suttonwho
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    Hi Matt. The matches I was referring to belong to my son. I use a program called Genome Mate (and I suggest you download it too before your results come in. It is free and a godsend). I checked his matches through that program and counted 21 native Finn matches and 2 native Russian matches on chromosome 13, all overlapping. The segments are between 8 and 12 cm.

    His dad was 1/2 Colonial American and half Geordie (with a fair amount of Scots and Irish ancestry). Although the Finn could be coming distantly through his Geordie grandmother, the only paper trail I have for Finns is the New Sweden Colony in Delaware. That puts his Finn ancestors as being born in the 1600's. I believe that is the source, as he is related to most of the colony many times over and they were all Finns or Swedes (many who had come from Finland originally). They intermarried for 150 years before a daughter (Mary Stalcop) married outside the community and it is from that line my son descends.

    My dad also has a handful of native Finn matches and I share a couple with him. He has no known Finn ancestry (he is 1/2 Belgian and 1/2 Irish). None of those Finns are included in the above count of my son's.
    Last edited by suttonwho; 25 September 2014, 07:53 AM.

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  • Matt62
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    Originally posted by EastAnglian View Post
    I'd say with FF a paper trail link with the person is a must so you can discount an ancient link.
    Thank you for the advice EastAnglian, I appreciate it and will bear it in mind I have quite an extensive paper trail, especially for my Scottish, English and German lines (the Scottish makes up a large segment of my ancestry and so I expect that I will have DNA from at least some of those lines). I will be sure to check that I can identify at least surnames in common before taking a match seriously as a candidate within the last 400 years. My Irish paper trail is the weakest by far. I think the earliest I have got is to 1780, on a poorly recorded line I've only got to 1830!

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  • EastAnglian
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    Originally posted by Matt62 View Post
    Hi

    I've only got one English line that I know of and it is quite distant. I am a Scot with basically an even mixture of Scottish, Irish and Scots-Irish (Ulster) ancestry - with one English and one German line.

    My g-g-g-g grandfather Thomas, on my mother's paternal side, was born in London - his mother coming from a well-to-do Yorkshire family and his father hailing from Clerkenwell. His son Henry was born in Edinburgh because Thomas had moved up with his father Michael around the year 1848, after the death of my g-g-g-g-g grandmother Isabella from a cholera outbreak in Leeds where they lived. Michael moved to Scotland to become an excise officer.

    So my English line is fairly distant - six generations away from me, beginning with my fourth great grandfather. Who knows if I even have any DNA from England.
    I think you need to take your matches with a large pinch of salt and keep in mind that FF picks up on ancient ancestry. I have a person with just Irish ancestry and another with just Scottish and Irish amongst my matches. I don't have any Scottish or Irish in my family but people from East Anglia have Viking ancestry and of course they are known to have settled Ireland and Scotland.

    I'd say with FF a paper trail link with the person is a must so you can discount an ancient link.

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  • Matt62
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    Originally posted by suttonwho View Post
    Hi Matt, I have a fair number of native UK and Irish matches. I also have a few native Germans (I too have a Pomeranian line). It seems like native Scandinavians are especially well represented, and my oldest son's matches came in last night with a shocking number of native Finns.
    Yes, I noticed the great number of Scandinavians and matches thereof.

    Were you aware of any Finns on your paper trail, may I ask?

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  • Matt62
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    Originally posted by EastAnglian View Post
    I'm English, if you have German lines you might find that there is some confusion as to what is a German match and what is related to your English ancestry. I have a number of German and Norwegian matches but no recent ancestry from those countries.

    I think Family Finder picks up on older ancestry beyond genealogical records. FTDNA is very skewed towards the USA, most of my matches are from there.

    Hi

    I've only got one English line that I know of and it is quite distant. I am a Scot with basically an even mixture of Scottish, Irish and Scots-Irish (Ulster) ancestry - with one English and one German line.

    My g-g-g-g grandfather Thomas, on my mother's paternal side, was born in London - his mother coming from a well-to-do Yorkshire family and his father hailing from Clerkenwell. His son Henry was born in Edinburgh because Thomas had moved up with his father Michael around the year 1848, after the death of my g-g-g-g-g grandmother Isabella from a cholera outbreak in Leeds where they lived. Michael moved to Scotland to become an excise officer.

    So my English line is fairly distant - six generations away from me, beginning with my fourth great grandfather. Who knows if I even have any DNA from England.
    Last edited by Matt62; 24 September 2014, 02:50 PM.

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  • EastAnglian
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    I'm English, if you have German lines you might find that there is some confusion as to what is a German match and what is related to your English ancestry. I have a number of German and Norwegian matches but no recent ancestry from those countries.

    I think Family Finder picks up on older ancestry beyond genealogical records. FTDNA is very skewed towards the USA, most of my matches are from there.

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  • Seth_Rogoff
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    Hi from another Brit!

    Hi, also British here

    Although I have no British Ancestry, my lines all come from (Jewish) Ukrain, Poland and Russia! I have paper trails of family migrating to USA, Isreal, France, South Africa and Belgium (that I know of!!)

    I'm still waiting for my FF results (still 1-2 weeks apparently ) But I'm hoping to have quite a few 'matches'

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  • suttonwho
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    Hi Matt, I have a fair number of native UK and Irish matches. I also have a few native Germans (I too have a Pomeranian line). It seems like native Scandinavians are especially well represented, and my oldest son's matches came in last night with a shocking number of native Finns.

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  • Adrian Stevenson
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    Hi Matt, I am British.

    FTDNA customers are mostly from the USA.

    Cheers, Ade.

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  • rivergirl
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    Ive tested 8 family members, none are American.
    All are from Australia or UK.
    Our ancestry is from UK and some French and Scandanavian.
    Apart from the US matches we have many matches with other Aussies, Kiwis, English, Irish and Canadaians. I also get matches with Danes, Swedes and Norwegians.

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  • Matt62
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    Originally posted by andreastill.gen View Post
    You never know what you're going to see in terms of matches because you just don't know what bits you inherited. My maternal grandmother is the one with 25% Austrian background. Half her documented lines come from near the Dutch border and the rest from east of Paderborn. I had to go through a number of matches to see a potential surname match. I'm waiting for confirmation of a connection. If our two families come from that same original family the connection would be through my grandmother's g-g-g-g-g-grandmother (5 greats).

    That grandmother gets a really interesting mix of matches from Ukraine, the Baltic states, all the way through to the British Isles. A couple of cousins documented the family and we have no known connections to such distant locations that we know of. She also seems to have a sizable number of Jewish matches and we have no documented Jewish connection. Very interesting.

    My paternal grandmother and her 1st cousin (half through their grandmother's two marriages) have fewer matches each and I haven't found a good lead to break through the brick wall that is their grandmother. Who knows whether DNA will assist in breaking through that wall but as we're out of other options I'm hoping the right person will eventually test and we'll get a match we can verify.
    How fascinating (and tantalizing) that the DNA "trail" appears to be indicating ancestral origins not unearthed by your paper trail, thus far.

    The Jewish matches in particular intrigue me, since my late great grandmother (the granddaughter of my German ancestor) was always adamant that she had Jewish ancestry, such that when I started to investigate my roots through her I expected to find Ashkenaz. Sadly, I did not find any trace of a Jewish link at all. On the Maass line at least, there was a straight trail of Pommeranian Lutherans stretching back to the early 1700s. My g-g-g-g-g-g grandfather on this line turned out to be a 'statthalter' (local governor) though, so the interesting occupation lifted my spirits a bit

    It would be lovely if my g-grandmother's conviction that she was in fact a Hebrew princess did turn out to be more than a garbled family myth. I live in hope

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  • MoberlyDrake
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    My mother has about a dozen matches who live in the UK, although all her ancestors who came from the UK were in America by 1700 as far as I know.

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  • andreastill.gen
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    You never know what you're going to see in terms of matches because you just don't know what bits you inherited. My maternal grandmother is the one with 25% Austrian background. Half her documented lines come from near the Dutch border and the rest from east of Paderborn. I had to go through a number of matches to see a potential surname match. I'm waiting for confirmation of a connection. If our two families come from that same original family the connection would be through my grandmother's g-g-g-g-g-grandmother (5 greats).

    That grandmother gets a really interesting mix of matches from Ukraine, the Baltic states, all the way through to the British Isles. A couple of cousins documented the family and we have no known connections to such distant locations that we know of. She also seems to have a sizable number of Jewish matches and we have no documented Jewish connection. Very interesting.

    My paternal grandmother and her 1st cousin (half through their grandmother's two marriages) have fewer matches each and I haven't found a good lead to break through the brick wall that is their grandmother. Who knows whether DNA will assist in breaking through that wall but as we're out of other options I'm hoping the right person will eventually test and we'll get a match we can verify.

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  • Matt62
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    Thank you for the replies Lyn and Andbro It is good to know there are some Brits around.

    andreastill - interesting information about your own German ancestry and matches on FTDNA. I'm uncertain if I will have inherited any DNA from the German side of things, since it is my great-great-great grandfather who was born in Germany (in 1857). That is 5 generations away from me. While it is possible - since one would expect some DNA to come from an ancestor 5 generations back - it is also possible, I think, that I might have received zilch! But I am hopeful that I have received something from Johann Christian Ludwig Maass, since it appears from your post that the German diaspora might be rather fruitful for matches. I do believe that his father, my g-g-g-g grandfather Johann Christian Friedrich Maass, died in Australia - so if I've got anything from him six generations back their might be some Aussies out there waiting for me to find 'em

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  • andreastill.gen
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    I have no idea how many members there are from Germany either but you'll likely end up with a good number of matches descended from Germans now living elsewhere in the world. As long as you inherited enough DNA to match people on your German line you'll get those matches. My family is almost exclusively German (there is a bit of Austrian in the mix too) and both my grandmothers plus a first cousin to one of them get good numbers of matches from other Germans and those descended from Germans. Not unexpected.

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