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    There was a story in the news today about "Niall of the Nine Hostages" - an ancient Irish Warlord. Apparently 1 in 12 living Irishmen could be descended from him. Does anyone know anything more about this - like how would one know if one is descended from him?

    Here is a link:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10892117/

  • #2
    Originally posted by TSBinLV
    There was a story in the news today about "Niall of the Nine Hostages" - an ancient Irish Warlord. Apparently 1 in 12 living Irishmen could be descended from him. Does anyone know anything more about this - like how would one know if one is descended from him?

    Here is a link:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10892117/
    Wow for only $91 you can buy the single issue that may or may not have the details (find out after you pay) - What a deal!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TSBinLV
      There was a story in the news today about "Niall of the Nine Hostages" - an ancient Irish Warlord. Apparently 1 in 12 living Irishmen could be descended from him. Does anyone know anything more about this - like how would one know if one is descended from him?

      Here is a link:
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10892117/

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060117/...nce_ireland_dc


      here is an example of assuming alot of things

      sure alot of people in one country or island share the same ydna. so we need some king or the like to put them all too

      one of my projects is based in a province of italy when small towns dot the lanscape on the side of mts,[for defense along time ago] must be some roman general.nope what it is is maybe 4 men with wives probably related started the first town. they did farming so kids kids and more kids were the story. eventually these kids expanded their boundrys maybe three other brothers and wives from the same small town. go to the next hill and start their towns moving along the continent or penisula in this case. there were no olklahoma land rushes. each area had a small dna base and few new people came to work the farms for 2000 years. surprize

      -12 24 15 10 13 14 11 16 13 13 11 30
      -13 22 14 10 12 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 27 11 15 15 16 11 10 19 21 14 14 16 18 36 36 12 10
      -13 23 13 10 13 17 11 12 12 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 12 27 15 19 34 11 11 14 14
      -13 23 15 10 13 13 11 12 12 12 14 28
      -13 23 15 10 13 16 11 12 12 13 13 30
      -13 24 13 10 16 17 11 12 11 13 11 30
      -13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30
      -13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30
      -14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 10 12 11 28
      -14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 14 12 30

      i wonder how they know the proof all these people come from one man. when we cant prove anything with out tranglization of 6 cousins . and someone says you cant prove any thing.But we know some irish kings or genguis khan's offspring.

      its things like these that make me doubt some of this research

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jim Denning
        i wonder how they know the proof all these people come from one man. when we cant prove anything with out tranglization of 6 cousins . and someone says you cant prove any thing.But we know some irish kings or genguis khan's offspring.

        its things like these that make me doubt some of this research
        And "Queen" Elizabeth of Great Britain is a descendent of Kings David and Solomon http://www.kingdavid.org/genealogy.html . How many holes can you shoot in that genealogy?

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        • #5
          And Christopher Columbus joins the party...http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectid=10363541

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rod
            And "Queen" Elizabeth of Great Britain is a descendent of Kings David and Solomon http://www.kingdavid.org/genealogy.html . How many holes can you shoot in that genealogy?

            but the person who put his word behind that has more creditabily then anyone i know of in genetics i know of. If he says it has to happen i believe it.
            of course i am looking at the family tree map on my wall that also says it. where are the tree maps for the sons of niall ?

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            • #7
              Ui Neill

              The descendants of Niall Nioghialloch (Neil of the nine hostages) King of Tara ca 405 (some scholars suggest he was still alive a generation later c435, some even suggested he lived to 462. His mother appears to have had much influence over his elderly father which helped Niall gain supremacy over his elder half brothers from Connacht. Nialls sons had to forge their own empires. His 4th son Cairbre stayed on in Sligo while the three eldest Conal Cremthainn, Maine and Laoghaire divided the midlands around Tara for themselves, and the younger three Conal, Eoghan and Ennae looked for their own inheritance in the far northwest at Donegal. Eoghan's descendants settled at Inishowen peninsula which bears his name and his descendants eventually became the supreme dynasts of all Ireland. Niall is reputed to have had fourteen sons, but only half of them spawned dynastys.

              Northern Uí Néill

              The descendants of the four younger sons of Niall in northwest Ireland and Ulster -the counties of Donegal, Sligo, Tyrone, Derry, Antrim, Armagh and Down. Their original seat was at Ailech in the south of the Inishowen peninsula. Here they were called kings Ailech of the north. Later they were inaugurated at Tullyhogue near Dungannon in Co. Tyrone.

              Cinel Eoghan

              The clan of Eoghain d.465, son of Niall, of Inishowen, Donegal and of Tyrone = Tir Eoghain -the land of Owen.

              Cinél Óenghusa The clan of Aongus son of Eoghan macNiall. The family sept of ÓCarr.

              Cinél Ailill The clan of Ailill son of Eoghan seated at Rossinver, Co. Leitrim.

              The family septs of ÓFarrelly and ÓFerris.

              Cinél Fedhlimidh The clan of Felimy son of Eoghan seated at Fordrum Co. Donegal.

              The family sept of ÓDarmody of Bredagh.

              Cinél Fergusa The clan of Fergus son of Eoghan seated at Carrickbracky, Inishowen.

              The family septs of MacAnaspie [Bishop], ÓCooney, ÓDonegan of Kilbannon, ÓHagan [Fagan],

              ÓHamill, ÓMullavill [Mulfall] and ÓMulvochory [Early].

              Cinél Eachach The Clan of Eachu son of Eoghan seated at Loughlinsholin southeast Derry.

              Clan Snedghaile Clanelly seated at Letterkenny, Donegal at the head of Lough Swilly.

              The family seps of ÓTogher and Stroane [Strain].

              Clan Ceallaigh Clankelly, Loughlinsholin near Limavady on the east of Lough Foyle.

              The family septs of ÓKelly, ÓCarrine, ÓDonnelly, ÓDrona [Drummond], ÓGrogan, ÓKieran,

              ÓLonan, ÓRahilly and ÓSherry.

              Cinél Andrais The clan of Gilleandrais -the servant of St. Andrew, ecclesiastics of

              Applecross founded on the west coast of Scotland in 671 by St. Mael Rubha of Bangor.

              The family septs of ÓBeollain [Boland], Anderson, Cairney, Fairlie, Forbes, Foulis, Gillanders,

              Munro, Reid, Ross, MacTaggart and Urquhart.

              Cinél mBinnigh (Cinel Eoghan of the Valley) The clan of Binich son of Eoghan seated at

              Dungiven Co. Derry, in the valley west of the river Bann. The family septs of ÓBogan, ÓBreen,

              ÓCadman, MacConcaille [Woods], ÓCoonan, ÓCormack, ÓDeehan, ÓDevine, ÓFeehan,

              MacGlinchy, MacGowan [Smythe], ÓMagan, ÓMulbride, ÓMuldoon, ÓMulholland, ÓNewell

              [Knowles], ÓToale [Twohill] and ÓToner of Lough Swilly.

              Ui Muiredaigh The descendants of Murray, son of Eoghan.

              Cinél Feradaigh The clan of Fardy, son of Murray seated at Cinelfarry, Clogher Tyrone.

              The family septs of ÓBrollaghan [Brolan], ÓCannan, MacCawell [Caulfield], MacFeary [Hunt],

              MacGirr, ÓHeerin and ÓHernon.

              Cinél Moen The clan of Moen son of Murray seated at Raphoe & Strabane, Donegal.

              The family septs of ÓBrackley, ÓCulreavy, ÓCrean, ÓClerihan [Clerkin], ÓCreevy,

              ÓDonaghy, ÓDalvey, ÓFaelan [Phelan], ÓGarvey, MacGilligan, ÓGormley, MacGettigan,

              ÓHork, ÓKelly, ÓKernaghan, ÓMacLoughlin, ÓLooney, ÓLaney, ÓMulcrone, ÓMulfoohey

              and ÓTierney.

              Clan Tigernaigh The clan of Tierney son of Murray. The family septs of ÓAckland,

              ÓBehan, ÓBrannigan, ÓConegan [Cunningham], ÓCoogan, ÓHoran, ÓHosey [Hussey],

              ÓMorrissey, ÓMulfoverty and ÓMurray,

              Cinél Eirc The clan of Muirceataigh macEarca d.536 King of Tara, son of Murray son of

              Eoghan. Also called the Clan Donal mac Murtagh The clan of Domhnail Ichelgach d.566 son

              of Murtagh seated at Aileach and Tara -kings of the north and High Kings of Ireland.

              The ruling dynasty of the Ui Neill. The family septs of ÓClifferty, MacCool, ÓCorrigan, ÓFreel,

              MacGaffney, ÓGniv [Agnew], MacGilmartin [Martin], ÓMultully [Tully or Flood], ÓNeill,

              MacShane, ÓScurry, ÓSpillane,

              Fir Droma The men of Fordrum, -Lifford to Raphoe, Co. Donegal.

              The family sept of ÓDonnelly.

              Ui Neill Ard Gaedhal The O'Neills of Argyll in the west Scottish Isles.

              The family septs of MacClintock, MacEwan, Gillchrist, Gillespie, MacIver, MacInturner,

              MacKellar, MacKerracher, MacLeay, MacLachlan, MacLamont, Lyon, Livingstone,

              MacNeill, Orr, MacQueen, MacSorley, MacSweeney and MacThomas.

              Cinél Awley Uí Morna The clan of Amhalgaidh of the Mourne mountains.

              The family septs of ÓDevaney, MacGilmore, ÓMuldoon and ÓMorna.

              Clan Drugain The clan of Drugain seated at Dungiven Co. Derry and in Donegal,

              and the sub-septs of O Cahan [O Kyne] of Scotland. The family septs of MacAusland,

              Baxter, Bell, Buchanan, ÓBoyle, ÓBreslin, MacCaig, MacCoomey, MacCalmont,

              MacClosky, ÓCahan [Kane], ÓDoogan, ÓDooly, ÓDullahan, MacEvany, MacFinlay,

              ÓFlattery, ÓFlynn, Gilbertson, MacHenry, MacMillan, MacMullen, ÓMarley, ÓMulbresal,

              ÓMurtagh, ÓMurray, ÓMellan [Malynn], ÓMulmeel [Mitchell or Mulvihill], ÓMulholland,

              ÓQuinn, Royce, ÓTanny and MacWhirter.

              Clan Diermaid The clan of Diarmuid -Clondermot, Tirkeerin Co. Derry.

              The family septs of ÓCarrolan [Carlton], ÓConor Moy Ith and ÓCorran.

              Clan Cionnaeth The clan of Cinbaeth -Clankenny. The family septs of ÓGartneen,

              ÓKenny, ÓMannan, ÓMoran and ÓMoylan.

              Clan Flaithbheartach The clan of Laverty seated at Ailech, Inishowen.

              The family septs of ÓDuddy and ÓLaverty [Lafferty].

              ( http://www.davidalarkin.com/celtic.htm )
              M.O'Connor
              FTDNA Customer
              Last edited by M.O'Connor; 17 January 2006, 07:45 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by M.O'Connor
                Ui Neill

                The descendants of Niall Nioghialloch (Neil of the nine hostages) King of Tara ca 405 (some scholars suggest he was still alive a generation later c435, some even suggested he lived to 462. His mother appears to have had much influence over his elderly father which helped Niall gain supremacy over his elder half brothers from Connacht. Nialls sons had to forge their own empires. His 4th son Cairbre stayed on in Sligo while the three eldest Conal Cremthainn, Maine and Laoghaire divided the midlands around Tara for themselves, and the younger three Conal, Eoghan and Ennae looked for their own inheritance in the far northwest at Donegal. Eoghan's descendants settled at Inishowen peninsula which bears his name and his descendants eventually became the supreme dynasts of all Ireland. Niall is reputed to have had fourteen sons, but only half of them spawned dynastys.

                Northern Uí Néill

                The descendants of the four younger sons of Niall in northwest Ireland and Ulster -the counties of Donegal, Sligo, Tyrone, Derry, Antrim, Armagh and Down. Their original seat was at Ailech in the south of the Inishowen peninsula. Here they were called kings Ailech of the north. Later they were inaugurated at Tullyhogue near Dungannon in Co. Tyrone.

                Cinel Eoghan

                The clan of Eoghain d.465, son of Niall, of Inishowen, Donegal and of Tyrone = Tir Eoghain -the land of Owen.

                Cinél Óenghusa The clan of Aongus son of Eoghan macNiall. The family sept of ÓCarr.

                Cinél Ailill The clan of Ailill son of Eoghan seated at Rossinver, Co. Leitrim.

                The family septs of ÓFarrelly and ÓFerris.

                Cinél Fedhlimidh The clan of Felimy son of Eoghan seated at Fordrum Co. Donegal.

                The family sept of ÓDarmody of Bredagh.

                Cinél Fergusa The clan of Fergus son of Eoghan seated at Carrickbracky, Inishowen.

                The family septs of MacAnaspie [Bishop], ÓCooney, ÓDonegan of Kilbannon, ÓHagan [Fagan],

                ÓHamill, ÓMullavill [Mulfall] and ÓMulvochory [Early].

                Cinél Eachach The Clan of Eachu son of Eoghan seated at Loughlinsholin southeast Derry.

                Clan Snedghaile Clanelly seated at Letterkenny, Donegal at the head of Lough Swilly.

                The family seps of ÓTogher and Stroane [Strain].

                Clan Ceallaigh Clankelly, Loughlinsholin near Limavady on the east of Lough Foyle.

                The family septs of ÓKelly, ÓCarrine, ÓDonnelly, ÓDrona [Drummond], ÓGrogan, ÓKieran,

                ÓLonan, ÓRahilly and ÓSherry.

                Cinél Andrais The clan of Gilleandrais -the servant of St. Andrew, ecclesiastics of

                Applecross founded on the west coast of Scotland in 671 by St. Mael Rubha of Bangor.

                The family septs of ÓBeollain [Boland], Anderson, Cairney, Fairlie, Forbes, Foulis, Gillanders,

                Munro, Reid, Ross, MacTaggart and Urquhart.

                Cinél mBinnigh (Cinel Eoghan of the Valley) The clan of Binich son of Eoghan seated at

                Dungiven Co. Derry, in the valley west of the river Bann. The family septs of ÓBogan, ÓBreen,

                ÓCadman, MacConcaille [Woods], ÓCoonan, ÓCormack, ÓDeehan, ÓDevine, ÓFeehan,

                MacGlinchy, MacGowan [Smythe], ÓMagan, ÓMulbride, ÓMuldoon, ÓMulholland, ÓNewell

                [Knowles], ÓToale [Twohill] and ÓToner of Lough Swilly.

                Ui Muiredaigh The descendants of Murray, son of Eoghan.

                Cinél Feradaigh The clan of Fardy, son of Murray seated at Cinelfarry, Clogher Tyrone.

                The family septs of ÓBrollaghan [Brolan], ÓCannan, MacCawell [Caulfield], MacFeary [Hunt],

                MacGirr, ÓHeerin and ÓHernon.

                Cinél Moen The clan of Moen son of Murray seated at Raphoe & Strabane, Donegal.

                The family septs of ÓBrackley, ÓCulreavy, ÓCrean, ÓClerihan [Clerkin], ÓCreevy,

                ÓDonaghy, ÓDalvey, ÓFaelan [Phelan], ÓGarvey, MacGilligan, ÓGormley, MacGettigan,

                ÓHork, ÓKelly, ÓKernaghan, ÓMacLoughlin, ÓLooney, ÓLaney, ÓMulcrone, ÓMulfoohey

                and ÓTierney.

                Clan Tigernaigh The clan of Tierney son of Murray. The family septs of ÓAckland,

                ÓBehan, ÓBrannigan, ÓConegan [Cunningham], ÓCoogan, ÓHoran, ÓHosey [Hussey],

                ÓMorrissey, ÓMulfoverty and ÓMurray,

                Cinél Eirc The clan of Muirceataigh macEarca d.536 King of Tara, son of Murray son of

                Eoghan. Also called the Clan Donal mac Murtagh The clan of Domhnail Ichelgach d.566 son

                of Murtagh seated at Aileach and Tara -kings of the north and High Kings of Ireland.

                The ruling dynasty of the Ui Neill. The family septs of ÓClifferty, MacCool, ÓCorrigan, ÓFreel,

                MacGaffney, ÓGniv [Agnew], MacGilmartin [Martin], ÓMultully [Tully or Flood], ÓNeill,

                MacShane, ÓScurry, ÓSpillane,

                Fir Droma The men of Fordrum, -Lifford to Raphoe, Co. Donegal.

                The family sept of ÓDonnelly.

                Ui Neill Ard Gaedhal The O'Neills of Argyll in the west Scottish Isles.

                The family septs of MacClintock, MacEwan, Gillchrist, Gillespie, MacIver, MacInturner,

                MacKellar, MacKerracher, MacLeay, MacLachlan, MacLamont, Lyon, Livingstone,

                MacNeill, Orr, MacQueen, MacSorley, MacSweeney and MacThomas.

                Cinél Awley Uí Morna The clan of Amhalgaidh of the Mourne mountains.

                The family septs of ÓDevaney, MacGilmore, ÓMuldoon and ÓMorna.

                Clan Drugain The clan of Drugain seated at Dungiven Co. Derry and in Donegal,

                and the sub-septs of O Cahan [O Kyne] of Scotland. The family septs of MacAusland,

                Baxter, Bell, Buchanan, ÓBoyle, ÓBreslin, MacCaig, MacCoomey, MacCalmont,

                MacClosky, ÓCahan [Kane], ÓDoogan, ÓDooly, ÓDullahan, MacEvany, MacFinlay,

                ÓFlattery, ÓFlynn, Gilbertson, MacHenry, MacMillan, MacMullen, ÓMarley, ÓMulbresal,

                ÓMurtagh, ÓMurray, ÓMellan [Malynn], ÓMulmeel [Mitchell or Mulvihill], ÓMulholland,

                ÓQuinn, Royce, ÓTanny and MacWhirter.

                Clan Diermaid The clan of Diarmuid -Clondermot, Tirkeerin Co. Derry.

                The family septs of ÓCarrolan [Carlton], ÓConor Moy Ith and ÓCorran.

                Clan Cionnaeth The clan of Cinbaeth -Clankenny. The family septs of ÓGartneen,

                ÓKenny, ÓMannan, ÓMoran and ÓMoylan.

                Clan Flaithbheartach The clan of Laverty seated at Ailech, Inishowen.

                The family septs of ÓDuddy and ÓLaverty [Lafferty].

                ( http://www.davidalarkin.com/celtic.htm )

                you do understand thats not a family tree

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