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Mixed maybe ,but not Melungeon
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Originally posted by BlackWolfI agree that if what you are saying that genetics alone should not classify a people. On the other hand, it is those differences from the original gene pool and the different cultures that those gene pools brought with them whether Native American, African, French, Spanish, English, Scotch, Irish, Italian that become a part of the overall culture.
Appalachia, Louisiana and other parts of the South all have there unique cultures and peoples that are a direct reflection of the society, politics, economy and yes the genetic contributions of various populations of the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries.
Most of the white populations also show a fairly high level of East Asian. While this is very possible, the more likely shource I believe for this level of EA is NA. It has been suggested that 3 in 6 of the Early Americans from England intermarried with various NA tribes.
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Originally posted by Bob SwineaOK. One final thought for now. There are numerous old stories that say, in effect, "we have always been here". Some of the 10-12,000 year old archaelogical sites in the southeast might give this story some credence. Who can say for absolute positive?
Thanks,
Bob
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Originally posted by marianHi vh, I am interested in the autosomal test that you did and what web site you took it on. Having tested my mtdna and not having any male relatives I know of, its hard to get a very complete picture. I tested k, but I am dark skinned and with dark eyes. Didn't look much like my adopted family. M
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Does hair tell all?
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Bob SwineaOK. One final thought for now. There are numerous old stories that say, in effect, "we have always been here". Some of the 10-12,000 year old archaelogical sites in the southeast might give this story some credence. Who can say for absolute positive?
Thanks,
Bob
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OK. One final thought for now. There are numerous old stories that say, in effect, "we have always been here". Some of the 10-12,000 year old archaelogical sites in the southeast might give this story some credence. Who can say for absolute positive?
Thanks,
Bob
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Originally posted by marianHi all, was wondering if it is possible that people with k haplo came to be with the cherokee blood lines from the arctic through Greenland etc long before the 1400s. Having studied arctic peoples it seems they were very nomadic and had great survival skills. Marian
Hello Marian,
Since we deal in a realm with no early written history, anything could be with in the realm of possibility. Some of our oldest oral histories have interesting things to say. One says that we Cherokees are "nephews" to the Iriquois Tribes and that after a big [disagreement]battle we were forced to move south into new lands. Indeed, our languages seem to share a common origin. Another, yet still older story speaks of our People coming from a very long journey from the south where we travelled on boats for a long time before arriving in a new land. Another interesting facet is our traditional basket weaving style is only found along the Orinoco River tribes in South America.
When DeSoto wandered around the southeastern US in 1540 he described the Chalakee [people of a different speech] as being very poor and living in caves in the mountains. [I wonder if we had just arrived?] By 1620 British journals describe we Cherokee as wide spread and prosperous. Those 80 odd years must have been incredible.
With all this being said, I believe [today, hahaha] that the K hapgroup came from early European females who contributed to our blood lines. Consider the infamous British "Lost Colony". Where did they all go? I tend to believe local Tribes assimilated them. Many are the early tales of "blue eyed Indians". Many are the tales of women/children being carried away by "savages" in the 1600/1700's. Just my thoughts.
Peace,
Bob
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Guest repliedHi all, was wondering if it is possible that people with k haplo came to be with the cherokee blood lines from the arctic through Greenland etc long before the 1400s. Having studied arctic peoples it seems they were very nomadic and had great survival skills. Marian
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I knew some too when I lived in Pryor Creek, Claremore, Vinita too.
Bob
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Originally posted by Bob SwineaFYI- The figure I quoted in my post came directly from our Tribal Historian. He would know. The people you see in Tahlequah, not all are exclusively full blood Cherokee, but an amalgum of different Native Peoples. The 2000 Census showed that the Cherokee and our Cherokee descendants now have more people than any other Tribe. Sure surprised the Dine'If I remember correctly the number was upwards from 700,000. 7% of that number certainly would fill Tahlequah and Park Hill too a few times over. I will agree that the largest concentration of "full-bloods" are in the Rez areas. This is true of all Tribes of which I am aware.
The larger question, according to one of my Elder teachers, is "where do we Indian Americans fit in to the dominant culture"? Can we continue to be blatently "racist" to others of our own Blood; dividing arbitrarily between BigBloods and LittleBloods? Our own old Chreokee Way says that only "one drop" of Cherokee blood makes one a full member of AniYunwia. Blood quantum and all its varying arguments is an invention of the dominant culture designed ultimately to eliminate Indian People. It is my opinion that for Indian Americans to argue and to divide ourselves over blood quantum issues is like re-arranging the deck furniture on the Titanic - a useless exercise in my opinion. We have so many third-world conditions on our Rez ... our People are in need. Who has time to argue over blood quantum issues? Does that argument make a better world for the little ones growing up on the Rez? Does that argument make an inner-city Indian ghetto better?
I am doing what I can to care for our Indian Elders and to make this world better for our little ones. I hope every other Indian out there is doing the same.
These are my opinions. I mean no disrespect.
Peace,
Bob [tsoiugidali- AniYunwia]
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Guest repliedPS I agree
PS I definetly agree that we need to function in the present and do what we can for people no matter what amount of blood is what. Thanks all for that input, m
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Guest repliedinterested in autosomal test
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