i'm just confused, can someone help,please?

[tinkerbell]

i took the mtDNA test and my resutls showed i'm haplogroup A and then the numbers: 16111T, 16223T, 16239T,16290T,16319A,16362C,16519C. what exactly does this tell me? does this tell me where my ancestors came from, and if so where? help.

[vraatyah]

it means that you have Native American ancestors, at least on maternal side, since this sequence falls into NA haplogroup A2a

[tinkerbell]

i have another question when i go view my mtDNA info and i go to mtDNA search and for low resolution matches, i see the countries mexico and spain, does this mean that my ancestors came from these two countries?

[vraatyah]

you have hvs1 matches even in Brasil. As to Spanish ones, you see, it's more likely to be the "back migration" rather than the real NA ancestry in Europe. I recommend you to sequence hvs2 region if you are interested in further classification and more close matches, but sometimes this method doesn't help.

[tinkerbell]

so what does that mean? sorry to be a pest. how do you know i have matches in brasil? i didn't see that.

[vraatyah]

>how do you know i have matches in brasil? i didn't see that.


first of all, where did you search for matches?

[tinkerbell]

there's like this chart that's in my mtDNA search page and it says mexico and spain. i didn't search for matches. it says mexico then in the comment it says nothing and in the count it says 1. it's the same for spain too. so what does this mean? does it mean that my ancestors come from spain and mexico or not? this whole thing confuses me.

[vraatyah]

sorry, 3 published sequences from Brasil (Santos 1996) have at 239 site a transversion while you have a transition. Here are A sequences with the change at 239 published in last years:


Guatemala (Boles 1995) 111-223-239-290-319-362 16022-16363

African-American of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-319-362-519 73-146-153-225-226-235-263-309.1C-315.1C-523d-524d 16024-16569; 1-576
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-311-319-362 73-146-152-153-198N-235-253N-263-309.1C-315.1C 16024-16365; 73-340
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-259-290-319-362 73-146-152-153-214-235-263-309.1C-309.2C-315.1C 16024-16365; 73-340
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 075-111-223-239-290-319-362 73-146-153-235-263-315.1C 16024-16365; 73-340
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-256-290-319-362 73-146-152-153-235-263-309.1C-315.1C 16024-16365; 73-340
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-319-362 73-146-152-153-235-263-309.1C-315.1C 16024-16365; 73-340
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-319-362-519 64-73-146-153-235-263-309.1C-315.1C-523d-524d 16024-16569; 1-576
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-311-319-362-519 64-73-146-152-153-235-263-309.1C-309.2C-315.1C-523d-524d 16024-16569; 1-576
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-319-362-519 64-73-146-152-153-235-263-309.1C-309.2C-315.1C-523d-524d 16024-16569; 1-576
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-319-362-519 64-73-146-152-153-235-263-309.1C-315.1C-523d-524d 16024-16569; 1-576
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-319-362-519 73-146-153-225-226-235-263-309.1C-315.1C-523d-524d-527N 16024-16569; 1-576
Hispanic of FBI Laboratory 111-223-239-290-319-320-362 73-146-153-226-235-263-299d-309.1C-315.1C 16024-16365; 73-340

Mexico, Northen-Central, Green et al. AJHG 66:989-998,2000 111-223-234-239-290-294-319-362 16003-16370
Mexico, Northen-Central, Green et al. AJHG 66:989-998,2000 111-223-239-290-319-362 16003-16370

[tinkerbell]

i don't understand. what does it all mean? all i want to know is if my ancestors came from spain. i know that all of my family is from mexico, but did they come from spain to mexico? how do i know if i have spanish blood or not?

[vraatyah]

were you to have read some literature before got tested you wouldn't ask such questions. This kind of test shows your ancestry only on direct maternal line.

[vraatyah]

I think, the family history, census records and your physical appearance as well can tell much more about your origin than a thousand of such tests. People take mt test if they are curious about the origin of this particular line and their distant relatives but not for any "racial" issues.

[Eternitat]

Spain being due to back migrations I understand.

But not the presence of A in Italy, Ireland, Germany, and Sweden. Nor the presence of other American Indian groups in places like Norway or Slovakia.

I'm also A. No Native American Indian ancestry is known in my matrilineal family, although it is technically possible.

[vraatyah]

>But not the presence of A in Italy, Ireland, Germany, and Sweden

all European As (obviously Asian in origin) lack transition at 16111 which is indicative of NA/Paleoasiatic variants. There is only one paper where NA variant was reported in European sample, it's a forensic study by Crespillo (1999), N-E Spain - ultimately, that's not surprising.

[tinkerbell]

vraatyah

what you said,"I think, the family history, census records and your physical appearance as well can tell much more about your origin than a thousand of such tests. People take mt test if they are curious about the origin of this particular line and their distant relatives but not for any "racial" issues." i think this is very true. me for example, if you would see me you would never guess i would have native american blood. i know i have some native american in me cause i'm mexican and most mexicans are mixed with native american and spanish blood. but i think i look more like the spanish side cause i'm light-skinned, very light brown hair and green eyes. i highly doubt that most native americans have green eyes and light hair, but who knows.

[Eternitat]

I agree. I have Caucasoid traits such as deep eye sockets, a fair amount of body hair, fine wavy hair on my head, very light skin, a high nose bridge, etc. Most people think I came straight from Europe or perhaps Israel due to my features. Bottom line- when the police have to interact with me, they refer to me as a "white female". Everybody in the family has those general Caucasoid features. In fact, my matrilineal line are Canarian so they have light hair and sometimes eyes!


Also, where did you find out about the lack of 16111 mutation? Both Spaniards present at Mitosearch have it- but that could be due to back migrations. Plus one of the modern Taina in Mitosearch does NOT seem to have it. Most total matches are from some of the towns surrounding that where my grandmother and her family lived- which are full of descendants of Canarian immigrants. Another person saying she is of Canarian ancestry- and in a different former colony- does have it. So I am confused.