Updating 23andMe transfers

[rdegnen]

I have family, who submitted 23andMe raw data, who would like to have Y and Mtdna infor added to their FTDNA account. But they don't want to do another sample. Does FTDNA use the 23andMe data for an upgrade for Y and Mtdna or do they send another kit for another sample? Paying for the upgrade is no issue if only the 23andMe data could be used.

[MFWare]

If you want Y-DNA and mtDNA, then you must do an FT-DNA kit. There is, however, a better alternative. Take the Geno 2.0 test instead. It will include mtDNA, Y-DNA, and autosomal DNA. These results can then be transferred to FT-DNA. Geno 2.0 costs $200. The regular combined price of the least expensive FT-DNA Y-DNA and mtDNA tests is greater than $300. This test includes no SNPs. Geno 2.0 tests a raft of SNPs.

The bottomline is that your 23andMe transfer plus Geno 2.0 will cost less than the combined price of FT-DNA's least expensive regular Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. The 23andMe transfer is $89 extra.

[tomcat]

I have family, who submitted 23andMe raw data, who would like to have Y and Mtdna infor added to their FTDNA account. But they don't want to do another sample. Does FTDNA use the 23andMe data for an upgrade for Y and Mtdna or do they send another kit for another sample? Paying for the upgrade is no issue if only the 23andMe data could be used.

Unfortunately, the Y and Mt data from the 23&Me dataset is discarded by FTDNA, is not available for submission to any Project, or used as a pre-qualification for any test.

You can, based on your 23&Me Y and Mt haplogroup assignments, apply for admission to Projects but Project Admin's will want Y-STR and Mt HVR results and that will mean a new sample. There is a Project discount on tests ordered through a Project.

Short of that, you can make note of 23&Me Y and Mt assignments in your Family Finder Profile etc.

The only project I know-of that will accept 23&Me's Y data (and also Geno 2.0 Y data) is Adriano Squecco's independent Y-phylogeny project.

[vinnie]

Just curious as to why your family members don't want to submit another sample. Do they know FTDNA only requires a quick cheek swab, and not another somewhat disgusting spit session?

[efgen]

I have family, who submitted 23andMe raw data, who would like to have Y and Mtdna infor added to their FTDNA account. But they don't want to do another sample. Does FTDNA use the 23andMe data for an upgrade for Y and Mtdna or do they send another kit for another sample? Paying for the upgrade is no issue if only the 23andMe data could be used.

New DNA samples are required if you want to purchase additional tests from Family Tree DNA. FTDNA's lab will need to run new tests on the DNA itself to get Y-DNA and mtDNA results for matching purposes -- it's not something that can simply be obtained from the existing 23andMe data.

If your family members are unwilling to provide new samples, then one thing they could do is contact 23andMe and see if they are willing to send their existing samples to Family Tree DNA. You would also need to call Family Tree DNA and find out if they'll test DNA that was originally submitted to 23andMe. There may be an additional charge since the samples may need to be processed differently than FTDNA's cheek swab samples.

The bottomline is that your 23andMe transfer plus Geno 2.0 will cost less than the combined price of FT-DNA's least expensive regular Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. The 23andMe transfer is $89 extra.

Geno2.0 only provides haplogroups for Y-DNA and mtDNA. If rdegnen's family members are interested in genealogical matches on Y-DNA and mtDNA, then they will need to order the standard Y-DNA and mtDNA tests from Family Tree DNA.

Elise

[1_mke]

I transferred my 23andMe results to FF. When I wanted to do additional testing I had to submit a sample to FTDNA.

[Bertp]

If you want Y-DNA and mtDNA, then you must do an FT-DNA kit. There is, however, a better alternative. Take the Geno 2.0 test instead. It will include mtDNA, Y-DNA, and autosomal DNA. These results can then be transferred to FT-DNA. Geno 2.0 costs $200. The regular combined price of the least expensive FT-DNA Y-DNA and mtDNA tests is greater than $300. This test includes no SNPs. Geno 2.0 tests a raft of SNPs.

The bottomline is that your 23andMe transfer plus Geno 2.0 will cost less than the combined price of FT-DNA's least expensive regular Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. The 23andMe transfer is $89 extra.

I have not taken the Geno 2.0 test, but I understand that only the Y-DNA portion can be transferred to a FTDNA account. Correct?

[ajmr1a1]

I have not taken the Geno 2.0 test, but I understand that only the Y-DNA portion can be transferred to a FTDNA account. Correct?

Yes, only the y-DNA is transferred.

BTW, this is not what was promised.
The atDNA and mtDNA was supposed to be transferable too.

So for females, it should be called the Genogyp or Guanochip, whatever you like better.

[chartera]

Wish I'd known about the non transferability of mtDNA results from geno 2.0 an hour ago, ordered one for my sister in law on the basis that the results could be transferred to FTDNA
Not really happy

[ajmr1a1]

I don't see why you can't cancel!

Call NatGeo right away before they ship and let them know
the reason you are canceling.

[tomcat]

Wish I'd known about the non transferability of mtDNA results from geno 2.0 an hour ago, ordered one for my sister in law on the basis that the results could be transferred to FTDNA
Not really happy

I have two FTDNA accounts (among others) one that held my mtDNA and the other my Y results. When I transferred my Geno2.0 to my FTDNA Y account, my Geno2.0 mtDNA assignment also appeared there (no markers, just the haplogroup.) So, if your sister-in-law does not have a pre-existing mtDNA account at FTDNA she will get her Geno2.0 mtDNA haplo assignment if you transfer her results to FTDNA.

If your sister-in-law has pre-existing mtDNA results at FTDNA you will not, at present, be able to transfer her Geno2.0 haplo to FTDNA. So, for example an FTDNA mtDNA haplo assignment based on HVR will not be over-written by a more detailed Geno2.0 assignment.

Even in the latter instance, you can add her Geno2.0 assignment to her profile.

[Bertp]

I have family, who submitted 23andMe raw data, who would like to have Y and Mtdna infor added to their FTDNA account. But they don't want to do another sample. Does FTDNA use the 23andMe data for an upgrade for Y and Mtdna or do they send another kit for another sample? Paying for the upgrade is no issue if only the 23andMe data could be used.

Even though they would have to submit another sample to FTDNA it would be kept in FTDNA long-term storage so that in the future you can upgrade without submitting another sample. I've heard that in some cases, if requested, you can order extra sample vials to allow for even more future upgrades.

Also, FTDNA's cheek swabbing, IMPO, is not as gross a spit-collecting

[vinnie]

I have two FTDNA accounts (among others) one that held my mtDNA and the other my Y results. When I transferred my Geno2.0 to my FTDNA Y account, my Geno2.0 mtDNA assignment also appeared there (no markers, just the haplogroup.) So, if your sister-in-law does not have a pre-existing mtDNA account at FTDNA she will get her Geno2.0 mtDNA haplo assignment if you transfer her results to FTDNA.

DITTO - but I also now have my mtDNA Haplogroup Origins showing up in my y account. Tomcat, are yours there too?

[efgen]

Yes, only the y-DNA is transferred.
BTW, this is not what was promised.
The atDNA and mtDNA was supposed to be transferable too.

Actually, mtDNA results *can* be transferred from Geno2.0, but you only get the haplogroup and Ancestral Origins information -- no matches. Geno2.0 tests only haplogroup-defining SNPs, while complete HVR1, HVR2 and/or Coding Region results are needed for genealogical matching.

Autosomal DNA results currently do not transfer from Geno2.0. I'm not sure if that might change in the future, but if it does, (to my knowledge) it won't be compatible with Family Finder for matching.

Elise

[KATM]

Originally posted by efgen
Actually, mtDNA results *can* be transferred from Geno2.0, but you only get the haplogroup and Ancestral Origins information -- no matches.

efgen, I had transferred both my and my father's Geno 2.0 results in Dec., and no mtDNA haplogroup or Ancestral Origin info has ever shown up. A message sent to FTDNA got this response, as I've seen others have received also:

Thank you for your email. The only information that will transfer can be found under the "Haplogroup Origins" section of your mtDNA heading. Since you do not have any mtDNA matches that are close enough within our database, you do not currently have any additional mtDNA information on your FTDNA account.

Since then, I have ordered the FGS for both of us, and await those results. We now have the message

This test is currently on order and matching will be possible when results come back.

But it is disappointing to not be able to see any mtDNA transfer from Geno 2.0. (my father's Y info did transfer).