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  • R1a_M17_India
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    Brahmins and their origins

    Try this link and contact this guy
    http://members.tripod.com/~tanmoy/bengal/races.html

    Dig around his website for good information.(http://members.tripod.com/~tanmoy)

    He too is R1a and a Bengali Brahmin. He is able to trace his clan's origins to 1000 AD!! You can contact him and try maybe a 25 marker or 37 marker match test. Or maybe you and I can try it too.

    I am from Andhra, and my folklore says that Brahmins were invited from Northern India by kings to help with religious things as well as to clear and settle arable land. The name of the area that was was gifted by the king to the particular family became the new surname.

    Modern day Kannauj in UP (previously known as Kanyakabhuj) seems to have been a prestigious Brahmin center till Turks/Arabs/Muslims ransacked it and slaughtered people.

    I am always mistaken for a UP or Bengali Brahmin, my relatives stand out, and I used to wonder why, till I dug up all this research and my DNA type.

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    Well, My family folklore suggests that my ancestors (Brahmins) moved from Bengal to Andhra to Tamil Nadu during the 14 th century AD. This was a period of rampant Islamic expansion in the North. Incidentally, this was a period of the Vaishnavaite Bhakti movement in Bengal. Iyengars are known to be staunch Vaishnavites. I have also found evidence that Bengali Brahmins also belong to the R1a-M17 group. Their family folklore traces their migration from the upper Ganga valley to Bengal sometime in the 7th-8th century AD.
    This migrationary evidence traces the movement. Well, My friend is a Coorgi (classified as tribals by the Indian Govt). Their tribal history suggests that they were a part of Alexander's army who stayed back in India during 300-200 BC. It is interesting to note that Kurgan rhymes with Coorgi !

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  • R1a_M17_India
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    Some Tribals have R1a

    R1a,
    It seems some tribals (especially in AP) have R1a. The explanation seems to be that they got it while in contact with the the so-called Aryans.

    In addition, if your friend is an upper caste (and not a tribal), he can be of the so-called Aryan stock too.

    I wonder when my ancestors migrated to South India

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    Hi
    R1a_M17_India

    We share similar genetic & cultural background(I am an Iyengar Brahmin). One of my friends is a Coorgi from Karnataka (not a brahmin). They are active hunters and eat lot of meat.
    He was confirmed recently as a M17-R1a. Isnt it interesting ?
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  • R1a_M17_India
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    R1b and R1a

    Thanks, interesting!

    BTW, the FTDNA site has a chart showing where each haplogroup branched off. R1b didn't arise from R1a, but there was a common ancestor for both - M173.

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  • BlackWolf
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    Ashkenazi Levite

    Hi, I am very new to the DNA science and just got back my results today for Y DNA.

    My model showed R1b and the nearest ancestor in England, but also had several Ashkenazi and one Ashkenazi Levite in step mutations. I do not know if R1a1 which I ascertain is Eastern Europe/Central Asia is the source of my R1b (I gather not since this shows Western Europe) but being closely related I may have a long distance connection to Ashkenazi or several converts in the tree somewhere.

    As you know the Ashkenazi IQ is on average higher than any other population in the world. Although there might be a genetic link to the higher IQ. I would think a more logical answer is that these small groups that went from Central Asia to India, Russia, Eastern/Western Europe and beyond had to develope a higher IQ for survival.

    My guess is the probable answer is that the inhospitable lands of Central Asia caused many of the original Ashkenazi to have to "think out of the box" in order to survive. As these groups went to other lands they were treated with severe hostility and once again they were forced to "think out of the box" in the so called "civilized world" to survive once more.

    This would cause the IQ of European Jews to be higher as well as there ancestor cousins in many parts of the world.

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  • R1a_M17_India
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    R1a1 - Hindu Brahmins, Slavs and Ashkenazi Levites

    I am a Hindu Brahmin from South India (The 'highest' caste in the Hindu system). I belong to the R1a1 haplogroup. The geneographic project traced my origin to Central Asia (Ukraine or thereabouts). I am surprised to see so many Slavs and Ashkenazi Levite folks also to be of the same group. I assume our ancestors were Central Asians who went separate ways and religions. I would be interested in knowing if anybody has more information along this line.

    Is there anyway if we can test whether our maternal lines are also similar??

    Finally about IQ. I read that Ashkenazi Levites have the highest average IQ in the world. It is a given fact that Brahmins have the highest IQ in India (though this group has not be tested on an average basis to compare to worldwide statistics) and Brahmins also do well in academics in India, USA etc. Do you think this is something to do with the R1a1 haplogroup?
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