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    Swennilsson
    FTDNA Customer

  • Swennilsson
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    I'll have to admit being pretty impressed with BOTH FTDNA and AncestryDNA. I have gotten pretty amazing (to me anyway) results from both companies. I also think they both share some problems. From what I can tell, the ethnic labels they both place on people are close to being worthless for those of us of mixed European heritage. I have also been disappointed about the poor response rate from members of both companies. I originally had attached a full pedigree to my FTDNA test results, but eventually deleted them in order to sort of "make" matching persons communicate with me if they wanted to access my information. It does seemed to have improved the response rate. I don't mind sharing my information; I just think it should work both ways.
    I would like to see the companies do something to encourage members to post their pedigrees. Something like a discount coupon for those that agree to post their information for some minimum time period might help.

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  • Neves
    FTDNA Customer

  • Neves
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    I hate harvesters

    While the subject of AncestryDNA is up again I have to say I'm not a big fan. I have only been able to confirm common ancestors with one match. I've gotten to the point where I don't even check matches on Ancestry anymore.

    All of my 3rd and 4th cousin matches are private and do not respond.
    The rest are distant cousins matches... there is no obvious common ancestor and no tools to help you figure things out. I can't even attach notes to matches to help me remember what I've researched with that match. I have sticky notes all over my desk.

    My biggest annoyance with people at ancestry... There are a huge number of "Harvesters", People who keep themselves private and harvest what they find. I have had so many people that will not return my emails but they alway copy my pictures and other documentation that I have attached to my tree.
    It makes me want to stop attaching information my tree even though I enjoy sharing my information.... Hate them!

    Originally posted by southjerseygeni View Post
    If I have 7 generations born in the US on my mother's direct maternal line (back to 1774), and all of my Father's direct line was born in Quebec, Ca., from 1600's on then how do I tell my ethnicity percentages farther back than those times? Do the tests predict ethnicity past 5 generations back?
    I used to think like you, I have a good paper trail for 6-7 generations of ancestors. According to my tree (7 generations) I am 7/8th British and 1/8th Danish.
    Look at all the different percentages I am getting (in my signature)
    Dr. McDonald says I look all German.
    gedmatch puts me all over the place, I still haven't figured out which one matches me best.

    I am looking forward to my 23andME results as most people agree that they seem to be the most accurate.

    So far FTDNAs PF seems to be the closest match to my recent ancestors
    (IF) you consider British to be Western European and Danish to be European.
    (which is how I am seeing it)
    Geno2 seems to be much deeper ancestry to me.
    AncestryDNA is kind of in between.

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  • Solothurn
    FTDNA Customer

  • Solothurn
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    AncestryDNA Matches

    Note on Ancestry:

    " 'Distant cousin' matches (5th cousins or greater) have a lower degree of certainty compared to 3rd and 4th cousins. Even though there is a 50% (or less) chance that you are related, these matches are still good leads."

    With this in mind I suspect many distant matches won't respond!

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  • mixedkid
    FTDNA Customer

  • mixedkid
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    Originally posted by djknox View Post
    Don't waste your time, they don't have a clue other than to classify you as European, African, Asian etc... If that's what you after then all the commercial providers will meet your needs... but if you're looking for anything a little more refined... forget it. They don't even have a reasonable number of reference populations from which to choose from... never mind choosing them correctly.
    I wish someone would create a French-Canadian calculator and place it on GEDmatch. A while back, I was reading about a study where scientists were comparing a French-Canadian sample with those who were definitely Acadian, how much Native American genetic material was present, how much European, etc.

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  • djknox
    FTDNA Customer

  • djknox
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    Originally posted by southjerseygeni View Post
    Ok, thanks so much!
    Don't waste your time, they don't have a clue other than to classify you as European, African, Asian etc... If that's what you after then all the commercial providers will meet your needs... but if you're looking for anything a little more refined... forget it. They don't even have a reasonable number of reference populations from which to choose from... never mind choosing them correctly.

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  • mixedkid
    FTDNA Customer

  • mixedkid
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    Originally posted by mixedkid View Post
    It seems that the DNA testing companies have both strong and weak points.

    I remain convinced that FTDNA is the best as far as communication goes (with cousins, between customers and the company, forum readers, etc.). I also feel that I have learned a huge amount from my association with FTDNA.

    Something new though that I like about Ancestry DNA: When examining information about a match, now and then a page will appear on the screen about a hint, a possible common ancestor. This has happened twice so far for me: once with my dad's French-Canadian line and once with my mom's New England colonial line.
    I just figured out that I already know one of my matches described above. She is related to my maternal grandmother's family (through New Englanders). Like me, she was raised in the Midwest, in fact, in the same county.

    The ancestral families that are popping up from New England are the same as those one sees for both my mother and me with Family Finder.
    mixedkid
    FTDNA Customer
    Last edited by mixedkid; 15 December 2012, 06:27 AM.

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  • EdwardRHill
    Member

  • EdwardRHill
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    Genealogy is like Archaeology you dig through the layers sifting for what your looking for. Looking for information in trees at Ancestry is like that you look and determine whats junk and whats not. The same problems you encounter at Ancestry you encounter with old school researchers books at the library some of it good some of it is not.

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  • Jim Barrett
    R-BY39877

  • Jim Barrett
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    But most to the trees at Ancestry have so much trash in them they don't even make good fire wood.

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  • mixedkid
    FTDNA Customer

  • mixedkid
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    It seems that the DNA testing companies have both strong and weak points.

    I remain convinced that FTDNA is the best as far as communication goes (with cousins, between customers and the company, forum readers, etc.). I also feel that I have learned a huge amount from my association with FTDNA.

    Something new though that I like about Ancestry DNA: When examining information about a match, now and then a page will appear on the screen about a hint, a possible common ancestor. This has happened twice so far for me: once with my dad's French-Canadian line and once with my mom's New England colonial line.

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  • mixedkid
    FTDNA Customer

  • mixedkid
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    Originally posted by southjerseygeni View Post
    If I have 7 generations born in the US on my mother's direct maternal line (back to 1774), and all of my Father's direct line was born in Quebec, Ca., from 1600's on then how do I tell my ethnicity percentages farther back than those times? Do the tests predict ethnicity past 5 generations back?
    From what I can see, the Ancestry DNA test does not predict specific ethnicity but narrows things down to region. I only have one great-grandmother who was French-Canadian (born in the U.S. of French-Canadian immigrants). The test through Ancestry DNA did pick up "Central Europe" and as far as I know, Central Europe through Ancestry DNA is largely France and Germany. I have a feeling that some of my Scandinavian percentage through Ancestry might have come from her genetic input since she was largely of northern French ancestry, with many ancestors from Normandy, especially (I am thinking of the Viking influence).

    Here is how the French-Canadian part of my ancestry has been confirmed for me: Through Family Finder cousins of FTDNA -- Canadian and American cousins of my father especially -- people with ancestral ties to Quebec, old Acadia and to French people of the American South.

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  • Táltos
    FTDNA Customer

  • Táltos
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    I have to say I have tons of Finnish matches on Gedmatch. One of my closest matches on there I think is estimated at 4.4 generations. A lot of these matches are actually in Finland. I have not tried to email them as I'm not sure what to think. They all have very Finnish names and have the fi designation in their emails.

    I can only guess how they are related. Perhaps through my father? Through his Lithuanian or Russian side? I also am amazed at the large number of right out of Russia matches that I have on Gedmatch. I know this too by their Russian names and what their email domains will show.

    I have no Finnish matches here at FTDNA. I do have several Russian ones here. Really I have a lot of investigating to do with my matches on Gedmatch. But like I've said I find it very daunting as the number I have there is huge compared to here. I wish they had an easier format there. However I am not complaining , bless those guys at Gedmatch for bringing their site for free to us. I appreciate them much!
    Anyway I have to say I did not test at Ancestry so I don't know if I would get that type of result. If I did I would not think it odd due to the matches I have at Gedmatch.

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  • mixedkid
    FTDNA Customer

  • mixedkid
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    Originally posted by MFWare View Post
    As a frequent contributor to this forum, I am sure that you are aware of the controversy surrounding AncestrDNA's identification of high percentages of Scandinavian and Finnish ancestry. I am an AncestryDNA testee who has been indentified as having about 22% of these Northern European heritages. However, 23andMe identifies only 0.8% Finnish. I believe the Finnish is real because I have very good genetic matches with at least two Finnish residents and an American of Finnish descent. However, there is a huge difference between 10% an 0.8%.

    Many people discount AncestryDNA's Scandinavian findings as an artifact of oversampling of this population. AncestryDNA's findings imply that my maternal grandmother was half-Finnish. This is very difficult to reconcile with the woman I know. Perhaps, it is easier to reconcile in your family history. In any event, my advice is to maintain skepticism until you can confirm AncestryDNA's results.
    Both my mother and I have many Finnish matches through FamilyFinder, some North American but the vast majority are citizens of Finland. Some are Swedish-speaking Finnish citizens of the south but most are not. One of my own North American matches had a Swedish father (former citizen of Sweden) and a Finnish mother (former citizen of Finland) -- his father had been serving in the Finnish army when he met his future spouse. Only a few months ago I learned that on my father's Norwegian branch, there were Finns, living in Norway before immigration. His Family Finder Scandinavian matches are almost entirely Norwegian-American or Norwegian citizens but he has started to collect Finnish ones only recently. All of his Norwegian matches pretty much come from the same southern counties of Norway. Several of my Swedish-related distant cousins actually still live in my home town. (I graduated with one from high school.) When I first moved back several years ago, a sister of the fellow I graduated with told me that the family had Finnish as well as Swedish ancestors.

    I have 26 first cousins still living. Several on my mother's side have suspected Finnish ancestry for many years. Two first cousins on my father's side actually knew about Finnish ancestry in our Norwegian branch many years before I did. (We are all in our 50s and 60s now.)

    My great-grandmother immigrated from Sweden when she was 14 years old; her parents also immigrated but possibly returned to Sweden or Finland with a younger daughter. Two of my great-great grandparents immigrated from the Olso, Norway area (then called Kristiana or Christiana). The husband first farmed here but later opened a business in a neighboring city -- he used the term "Norwegian" as part of his business's name. The information about Finnish ancestry initially came through his daughter, my great-grandmother, who I met several times as a young child. She is buried in the same cemetery as her parents (the actual immigrants from Norway). Cemetery records as well as obituaries all indicate that the couple originated from Norway and immigrated shortly after the American Civil War ended.

    The self-reports of my own Family Finder cousins (as far as their ethnicities go) reflect (mainly) what Ancestry DNA told me about myself. Those reports also reflect what grandparents, uncles, aunts and great-aunts and uncles also told family members.
    mixedkid
    FTDNA Customer
    Last edited by mixedkid; 11 December 2012, 01:10 PM.

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  • southjerseygeni
    Registered User

  • southjerseygeni
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    Thanks!

    Ok, thanks so much!

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  • NYMark
    FTDNA Customer

  • NYMark
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    23andMe says within 500 years. Ancestry says "hundreds – perhaps even thousands – of years ago." Population Finder says 100 to 2000 years (4-80 generations.)

    Any one of them should give you indications that go back beyond five generations.

    Originally posted by southjerseygeni View Post
    If I have 7 generations born in the US on my mother's direct maternal line (back to 1774), and all of my Father's direct line was born in Quebec, Ca., from 1600's on then how do I tell my ethnicity percentages farther back than those times? Do the tests predict ethnicity past 5 generations back?

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  • southjerseygeni
    Registered User

  • southjerseygeni
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    Question

    If I have 7 generations born in the US on my mother's direct maternal line (back to 1774), and all of my Father's direct line was born in Quebec, Ca., from 1600's on then how do I tell my ethnicity percentages farther back than those times? Do the tests predict ethnicity past 5 generations back?

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