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  • #16
    Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
    I can tell you that with my family documented AI and close to the living gedmatch reads our family wrong. And Harappa is strictly for European ancestry only. I was told by the creator no NA samples were used for this utility. I would not rely on these utilities as being accurate of an AI ancestor because again there are not many samples out there. You could be getting false positive or false negative.

    Not everyone matches Mexico and still could have AI ancestors. My 1/2 sister and I share a great grandmother who is AI from the US. It shows up on her X and not autosomal. She doesn't match Mexico at all. This line MT-DNA tested. Im guessing that is all ancestry has is Mexico/Central America/South America like most utilities. I know of no tribal members that would give their DNA to the LDS (Sorenson) unless they converted to being LDS or married LDS. They do have a secret AI room that no one is permitted to see unless you can prove they are your ancestors. How are you supposed to prove they are you ancestors if you cant see the records???? The way they treat AI tribes is very bad. Tribes should be entitled to their records no matter what.
    I don't like hearing that the LDS is keeping information from people that makes no since but they do a lot of things I don't like. Its more of the number of Mexican looking matches I have that makes me think thats a source of NA DNA but I'm only guessing as far as the rest only time will tell.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
      I don't like hearing that the LDS is keeping information from people that makes no since but they do a lot of things I don't like. Its more of the number of Mexican looking matches I have that makes me think thats a source of NA DNA but I'm only guessing as far as the rest only time will tell.
      On ancestry you are getting Mexican matches as far as cousin matches in Mexico/south of the border or are you getting Mexico match as % only and what % are they giving you?

      Also where was your family? What area? Some US tribes ran back and forth across the border and some may not have record. I know they grabbed some of the the Seminole and baptized them with Spanish names. They may have done this with other tribes though I don't know if records have been found for the other tribes running on the border. You would have better chance in Mexico as far as finding tribe on a court record than you would on the US side if your family were AI and did not stay with their tribe.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
        On ancestry you are getting Mexican matches as far as cousin matches in Mexico/south of the border or are you getting Mexico match as % only and what % are they giving you?

        Also where was your family? What area? Some US tribes ran back and forth across the border and some may not have record. I know they grabbed some of the the Seminole and baptized them with Spanish names. They may have done this with other tribes though I don't know if records have been found for the other tribes running on the border. You would have better chance in Mexico as far as finding tribe on a court record than you would on the US side if your family were AI and did not stay with their tribe.
        I have over 36 pages of matches I'm going to guess in total I have 5 matches with Spanish surnames at least two of them proved pictures both look to be Mexican I don't know if they live in the US or Mexico. I did a quick look for ones with pictures and one is private the other is a public tree names in tree all Spanish but has 100% other. From what I remember one other may list only Spanish surnames, one or two others have both English and Spanish surnames the last one I don't remember percents for the last 3 or 4 I don't know. I'm 96% British Isle's 4% uncertain. Most of my family are from the South East some came down from North East after the Revolutionary War I know a good number moved west.

        My newest possible NA connection I believe was left behind when her family was moved west. I found a man with her last name living among the Indians in the same county during the 1830 census. She married and raised a family in the same county. He was in the 1830 census had a female listed in the age range she would be in. I had thought he either was one of the escort or was forced to move west. But after 1830 he was nowhere to be found. A new match has come along with the information I was looking for but I have to check it out. He has a Grandfather who lived during the same time has the same name and was living in the same area shes in. He also has information that says he was moved west during the 1830 Indian Removal act. I am not a member of any tribe nor do i want to be a part of one but I am interested about the people who I come from and will learn what i can about them.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
          I have over 36 pages of matches I'm going to guess in total I have 5 matches with Spanish surnames at least two of them proved pictures both look to be Mexican I don't know if they live in the US or Mexico. I did a quick look for ones with pictures and one is private the other is a public tree names in tree all Spanish but has 100% other. From what I remember one other may list only Spanish surnames, one or two others have both English and Spanish surnames the last one I don't remember percents for the last 3 or 4 I don't know. I'm 96% British Isle's 4% uncertain. Most of my family are from the South East some came down from North East after the Revolutionary War I know a good number moved west.

          My newest possible NA connection I believe was left behind when her family was moved west. I found a man with her last name living among the Indians in the same county during the 1830 census. She married and raised a family in the same county. He was in the 1830 census had a female listed in the age range she would be in. I had thought he either was one of the escort or was forced to move west. But after 1830 he was nowhere to be found. A new match has come along with the information I was looking for but I have to check it out. He has a Grandfather who lived during the same time has the same name and was living in the same area shes in. He also has information that says he was moved west during the 1830 Indian Removal act. I am not a member of any tribe nor do i want to be a part of one but I am interested about the people who I come from and will learn what i can about them.

          How far back are they telling you these matches are your matches with Spanish names? 5th distant cousin or closer? I would try contacting them to see where their families may have been in Mexico or SW USA. See if your matches have actually checked Catholic Church records on their ancestors to see if possible tribe listed on records. Could be on baptisms, marriage, death and possibly court records if your lucky. With The Trail of Tears there were close to 15,000 soldiers that escorted and I believe was voluntary. Andrew Jackson overwrote congress and made the tribes remove. Some I know that escorted from my family's area of NC were sympathizers, Some Doctors and were more than likely there to help the tribes when they could not control Andrew Jackson.

          If your going back to 1830 or before, try and find people in your direct lines willing to MT or Y-DNA those lines. More European men married AI women than the other way around. Its common to have NPE in AI lines because they do not come from Church practice and did not have the term illegitimate or bastard in their culture. For one the Cherokee were mother clan. Could give children mother's surname instead of fathers. Even though there were tribes that were not mother clan, they still could have given a child mother's surname instead of fathers. All AI tribes practiced polygamy. If they were thrust into Euro society, they would have been permitted only one wife on paper but it does not mean they did not keep more than one wife. In the State of NC if a woman was not married on paper to the father of her children, those children were given mother's surname instead of fathers. This may have applied for other southern states too. I also know they did this in Mexico. I have several on my tree given mother's surname in both direct lines and cousin lines.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
            How far back are they telling you these matches are your matches with Spanish names? 5th distant cousin or closer? I would try contacting them to see where their families may have been in Mexico or SW USA. See if your matches have actually checked Catholic Church records on their ancestors to see if possible tribe listed on records. Could be on baptisms, marriage, death and possibly court records if your lucky. With The Trail of Tears there were close to 15,000 soldiers that escorted and I believe was voluntary. Andrew Jackson overwrote congress and made the tribes remove. Some I know that escorted from my family's area of NC were sympathizers, Some Doctors and were more than likely there to help the tribes when they could not control Andrew Jackson.

            If your going back to 1830 or before, try and find people in your direct lines willing to MT or Y-DNA those lines. More European men married AI women than the other way around. Its common to have NPE in AI lines because they do not come from Church practice and did not have the term illegitimate or bastard in their culture. For one the Cherokee were mother clan. Could give children mother's surname instead of fathers. Even though there were tribes that were not mother clan, they still could have given a child mother's surname instead of fathers. All AI tribes practiced polygamy. If they were thrust into Euro society, they would have been permitted only one wife on paper but it does not mean they did not keep more than one wife. In the State of NC if a woman was not married on paper to the father of her children, those children were given mother's surname instead of fathers. This may have applied for other southern states too. I also know they did this in Mexico. I have several on my tree given mother's surname in both direct lines and cousin lines.
            The two with pictures are said to be "Low" I have found matches that are described as "very Low" that have a Common Ancestor within the 6th and 9th generation. At this time I have no interest in making contact with them I just don't see any reason to I have heard of traded between the tribes maybe this is proof of it but other will have to look to prove it if they are interested in it.

            My new match has the line going back 5 more generation. I don't think I'm going to be able to find any paper saying my GGGM was the daughter of who I think is her father. I hoping someone will come along and do the FF test and they share the same people helping to support the information I have its probably going to be as good as it gets. I'm not really sure if the white guy married the Indian lady or not but my match says he did. He might have been married to more than one woman at a time but his son from the NA took the fathers name.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
              The two with pictures are said to be "Low" I have found matches that are described as "very Low" that have a Common Ancestor within the 6th and 9th generation. At this time I have no interest in making contact with them I just don't see any reason to I have heard of traded between the tribes maybe this is proof of it but other will have to look to prove it if they are interested in it.

              My new match has the line going back 5 more generation. I don't think I'm going to be able to find any paper saying my GGGM was the daughter of who I think is her father. I hoping someone will come along and do the FF test and they share the same people helping to support the information I have its probably going to be as good as it gets. I'm not really sure if the white guy married the Indian lady or not but my match says he did. He might have been married to more than one woman at a time but his son from the NA took the fathers name.

              Use the MDLP World-22 Oracle and see if it tells you if you match Mexico at all. This is the first utility on gedmatch that has more samples and at least reads some of my family's AI correctly in the sense of correct general area of Mex,SW US and Baja Cali

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                Use the MDLP World-22 Oracle and see if it tells you if you match Mexico at all. This is the first utility on gedmatch that has more samples and at least reads some of my family's AI correctly in the sense of correct general area of Mex,SW US and Baja Cali
                Nope no mention of Mexico or the South West but it does say South-America_Amerind 0.27%

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
                  Nope no mention of Mexico or the South West but it does say South-America_Amerind 0.27%
                  after getting your results did you go further and use the Oracle option?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                    after getting your results did you go further and use the Oracle option?
                    Yes that reading I gave you is from Oracle.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
                      Yes that reading I gave you is from Oracle.
                      If its not noise at such a small %, it may be way back there. Also your matches to possible Mex, some of the people on the Trail of Tears ran into Tex/Mex so that could be why your matching some people with Spanish names as distant cousins.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                        If its not noise at such a small %, it may be way back there. Also your matches to possible Mex, some of the people on the Trail of Tears ran into Tex/Mex so that could be why your matching some people with Spanish names as distant cousins.
                        The amounts are different with Admixer proportions thats where I see more population that seem to be referring to NA DNA along with larger numbers. I'll total them up along with description.

                        Mesoamerican 4.7
                        Artic-Amerind 8.9
                        South-America_Amerind 3.7
                        Indian Asain/American? unknown 8.9
                        North-Amerind 7.7

                        I don't think I'll find anything connecting me to those with Spanish surname I have more than 5 now that I think about it and at least one married a guy with a Spanish surnames. I have seen the name Hernandez mention in early records so maybe there was a Spanish grandmother somewhere down the tree. My mother mother family were Scots and I know some were hired guns for different Kings and Counties beside England. A distant cousin moved to Mexico I think he had two kids a son and a daughter. The son was in the Military and visited the family in Scotland. The daughter might have become a Nun. Also don't forget the French which I have in a couple of French lines in my tree I have not done much research with those lines.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
                          The amounts are different with Admixer proportions thats where I see more population that seem to be referring to NA DNA along with larger numbers. I'll total them up along with description.

                          Mesoamerican 4.7
                          Artic-Amerind 8.9
                          South-America_Amerind 3.7
                          Indian Asain/American? unknown 8.9
                          North-Amerind 7.7

                          I don't think I'll find anything connecting me to those with Spanish surname I have more than 5 now that I think about it and at least one married a guy with a Spanish surnames. I have seen the name Hernandez mention in early records so maybe there was a Spanish grandmother somewhere down the tree. My mother mother family were Scots and I know some were hired guns for different Kings and Counties beside England. A distant cousin moved to Mexico I think he had two kids a son and a daughter. The son was in the Military and visited the family in Scotland. The daughter might have become a Nun. Also don't forget the French which I have in a couple of French lines in my tree I have not done much research with those lines.
                          As far as your Spanish named matches could be descendants of your distant cousin that moved to Mexico. Could be a separate issue from AI in your own possible lines.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                            As far as your Spanish named matches could be descendants of your distant cousin that moved to Mexico. Could be a separate issue from AI in your own possible lines.
                            I think your right I had forgot about them they both might have join the Catholic Church as a Priest and Nun which could take them out of the running but anything is possible.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by patz View Post
                              mtDNA test taken by my aunt because of the direct line to gg grandmother. but no Indian found. Believe the Indian line was male, my gggrandmother was half because of this on her fathers line. Any test to tell if this could be true, the % I might have and (really pushing it!!) what tribe it could be? Do have her picture and she definitely looks Indian, as does her daughter, my ggrandmother.
                              No other family members available to test due to age. gg grandmother b. 1842 Canada and birth record listed her as Marie Helene Inconnue, which I believe means no father listed. Mother age 13 was French and German. Believe Helene's father was Indian. Unable to use father's line, but hoping there is a test to reuse or upgrade the mtDNA test thru Family Tree DNA to get further info. Just want confirmation for genealogy records. mtDna test has Haplogroup N1b. Just took the simple test as we were sure Helene was the Indian line and not her father. Thanking everyone for their comments.

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                              • #30
                                Hi....It is my experience that many Native Americans in the southwest and Mexico have Spanish names.
                                thormalen
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                                Last edited by thormalen; 17 October 2012, 10:58 AM.

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