Of interest to all E3b men!

[Victor]

Hello Everyone,

The purpose of this message is to bring your attention to a relatively new Geographical DNA Project for haplogroup E3b.

Now that FTDNA has made it possible for all participants to be members of two projects at once, this is a good time for all E3b persons to join a rapidly growing group project whose main interest is learning together about the deep ancestry and complex prehistoric migrations of their haplogroup.

Although most of us belong now to a Surname DNA Project which helps us to establish genealogical links in the recent past (hundreds of years), the E3b Project is intended to explore the distant past (thousands of years) and understand the correlation, if any, between the distinct E3b branches (subclades) and their current geographical distribution or presence.

I decided to join this group hoping that, as new participants keep increasing, some haplotype patterns will start to emerge that allow us to draw some conclusions and informed opinions about the possible origins and evolution of our distant ancestors.

If you're intrigued and curious as we are about E3b, why don't you take a look and consider joining for the coming discussions. Here's the link:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/freemanDNAProject/

Best regards!
Victor Villarreal

p.s. As of today current participants count is 20.

[NANCY JONES]

E3b

Hi, I had a cousin do his DNA for us and he turned out to be an E3b. My gr gr gr gr gr grandfather was George SHINTAFFER born in Germany. John Shintaffer a direct decendant, did the DNA thinking maybe we might find out a little more about the SHINTAFFER family. The name is so uncommon that John didn't start a surname project but his Alleles are listed under his surname. I would like to join your E3b project. John Shintaffer did the DNA sample for us but doesn't participate in anything to do with DNA. I can supply you with what I know. Thanks...Nan

[Victor]

Joining the E3b Project

Hi, Nancy. Glad to hear of your interest in the E3b Geographical Project.
I checked the Ysearch page to look at your cousin's haplotype. I found 2 records under the surname Shintaffer matching on all 12 markers. Is there anyone else besides your cousin that you know that has tested his DNA? Click here.

The way to add your cousin's haplotype to the project is as follows:

• Go to your personal page. (Provided by FTDNA)
• Click the blue JOIN icon that appears above the text
• Select the letter "E" (E1) from the Geographical Projects
• Follow the instructions just like joining any surname group.

At this stage, the group is starting to gather momentum. John Freeman, the project administrator will provide more information in the coming weeks on how and where to exchange messages among the participants.

Victor

[NANCY JONES]

E3b

Hi Victor, No, it's only one SHINTAFFER. I made a mistake when I added John and did it twice. I am learning how to do all of this (sort of!) and goof quite often. I will try to follow what you posted and join the group. Wish me luck! Nan

[Victor]

Joining the E3b Project!

Nancy, I just saw that you have already completed the joining process. It wasn't that difficult, was it not?

I can see that your cousin's haplotype fits right in the middle of the current list, with several similar markers to the other haplotypes. Since the number of participants is currently rather limited, it is still too early to distinguish any patterns. As we patiently wait for our numbers to keep growing, we'll also keep an eye for any new publications or developments in the field of genetic genealogy related to haplogroup E3b, as well as software tools to calculate genetic distances and possibly predicting the likelyhood of belonging to a particular subclade.

This forum will still provide a good platform to express our opinions, ask questions and exchange ideas to increase our understanding of this topics.

Victor

Hi Victor, No, it's only one SHINTAFFER. I made a mistake when I added John and did it twice. I am learning how to do all of this (sort of!) and goof quite often. I will try to follow what you posted and join the group. Wish me luck! Nan

[Jim Denning]

I am sorry I wont be joining at least until they allow a third for your study which is much larger then surname projects .why?

because mtdna calls i run three locational studys based on mtdna.
what else do we do mtdna other then to compare in small locations for matches . especially when i have the paperwork .i still have not heard why mtdna females dont have the option for two studies that men have

your study should be done by ftdna lol or arizona state its that big and that
important

maybe they can actually show e3b on the isle of ireland

[Victor]

Participating in the E3b project

I understand your point, Jim. Even if it isn't possible for you to join a third project, because FTDNA won't allow it or because you're not willing to let go of neither one projects you currently belong to, you should keep in contact anyway.

We're aware of your important participation in this forum. And as an E3b yourself, your opinions and comments are always welcome!

Victor

[Bill Harvey]

Duplicate "matching" entries of same surname allowed

Hello Everyone,

The purpose of this message is to bring your attention to a relatively new Geographical DNA Project for haplogroup E3b.

Now that FTDNA has made it possible for all participants to be members of two projects at once, this is a good time for all E3b persons to join a rapidly growing group project whose main interest is learning together about the deep ancestry and complex prehistoric migrations of their haplogroup.

Although most of us belong now to a Surname DNA Project which helps us to establish genealogical links in the recent past (hundreds of years), the E3b Project is intended to explore the distant past (thousands of years) and understand the correlation, if any, between the distinct E3b branches (subclades) and their current geographical distribution or presence.

I decided to join this group hoping that, as new participants keep increasing, some haplotype patterns will start to emerge that allow us to draw some conclusions and informed opinions about the possible origins and evolution of our distant ancestors.

If you're intrigued and curious as we are about E3b, why don't you take a look and consider joining for the coming discussions. Here's the link:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/freemanDNAProject/

Best regards!
Victor Villarreal

p.s. As of today current participants count is 20.

Victor and all,

A fourth cousin and I have 37 marker STR tests done with identical matching markers. I have been SNP tested as E3b M35+. We are assuming his SNP test, if done, would also be identical.

This situation was disclosed to Jim Freeman and he indicated that our identical records could BOTH be included --- so if there are other E3b folks with identical STR markers at any of the three marker levels they can all be uploaded.

We also have a third Harvey who has joined this effort but his STR #s are somewhat different - similar but different.

Bill Harvey

p.s. As of this morning there are 22 members

[Victor]

Persons that match on their markers don't always think alike!

Bill,

In my surname project I have two exact matches at the 25 level and several other near matches. Most of them have elected as their second group to join the Mexico Geographical project.

When it became possible for everyone to join a second group, I thought to myself that I have a pretty good idea about the migrations of my ancestors from around the XVI-XVII centuries to the present in the New World. The enigma as far as I'm concerned lies across the big pond and in older times.

Therefore, I have much more to discover and learn by joining this haplogroup based project which attempts to trace back our deepest origins and I suspect the same is true for many other persons that belong to E3b, particularly those from Latin America and/or Hispanic Americans.

There's no doubt that as more people realize this distinction between available projects many more will want to join us. It is just a matter of the word getting spread around and soon this thing is really going to take off!

Victor Villarreal

Victor and all,

A fourth cousin and I have 37 marker STR tests done with identical matching markers. I have been SNP tested as E3b M35+. We are assuming his SNP test, if done, would also be identical.

This situation was disclosed to Jim Freeman and he indicated that our identical records could BOTH be included --- so if there are other E3b folks with identical STR markers at any of the three marker levels they can all be uploaded.

We also have a third Harvey who has joined this effort but his STR #s are somewhat different - similar but different.

Bill Harvey

p.s. As of this morning there are 22 members

[Musso]

colors in chart

Victor, great idea to drum up some publicity for the E3b group!

I have a question pertaining to the chart of DNA results for E3b project members. What is the significance of some DYS markers being shown in red at the top of the chart, while others are shown in black?

Jim Musso

[Victor]

Red markers in DNA charts

Jim,

Markers shown in red are considered the fast mutating markers. One can notice that most non-matches in related persons involve these. I don't know of any other significance about the color.

Victor

I have a question pertaining to the chart of DNA results for E3b project members. What is the significance of some DYS markers being shown in red at the top of the chart, while others are shown in black?

Jim Musso

[Victor]

Duplicate record in Ysearch

Hi Victor, No, it's only one SHINTAFFER. I made a mistake when I added John and did it twice. I am learning how to do all of this (sort of!) and goof quite often.
...
Wish me luck! Nan

Nancy, if you're sure about having entered your cousin John haplotype twice to the Ysearch databse, you can just as easily delete one of the duplicate records.

Decide which account you want to delete, go to the Ysearch site and from the main page select the tab "Edit an Existing User". After entering the User Id, password and clicking the Edit button, you will be taken to the user information form. Next, scroll down to the bottom of that page and you'll see a "Delete Record" button.

Hope this helps!
Victor