multiple lineages of same surname

[Metheasapp]

I've recently begun reseaching our family surname and have discovered that the SAPP surname belongs to families of Canadian Indians, Black Dutch (which I'm not even sure exactly what this term means), ordinary Caucasians of english decent, and an extremely large population of African-Americans. Each family group claims their independance from the other groups. Is it reasonable that any surname could arise independtly among such ethnically diverse families? Of couse I would love to have DNA samples taken from each of these groups, but they are also so sure that we are not interconnected. Any one facing the same problems, or have some insight they would like to share with me?

M.Sapp

[pgo1963]

I think it is the norm for there to be multiple unrelated groups of people with the same surname. This can happen in any number of ways: surnames that arose from occupations or place names, adoption, non-paternity events, slaves taking the surname of the owner family, changed identities, etc.

I suggest that you develop a clear set of goals for your Sapp Surname Project. What do you wish to achieve? Do you suspect that two Sapp families are related? If so, identify two widely separated male descendants of each for testing. Are you trying to break through a brick wall? If so, develop a theory about what other Sapp family might be related and select two distantly related male descendants from each for testing. Once your project is up and going, others will join. However, in my opinion, it is better to have a focused strategy designed to achieve a certain goal. The results will more than likely also be more satisfying. Thanks,

Phil Goff

[Jim Denning]

I've recently begun reseaching our family surname and have discovered that the SAPP surname belongs to families of Canadian Indians, Black Dutch (which I'm not even sure exactly what this term means), ordinary Caucasians of english decent, and an extremely large population of African-Americans. Each family group claims their independance from the other groups. Is it reasonable that any surname could arise independtly among such ethnically diverse families? Of couse I would love to have DNA samples taken from each of these groups, but they are also so sure that we are not interconnected. Any one facing the same problems, or have some insight they would like to share with me?

M.Sapp

CROMWELL in his [&*%T&&*] work exciled many scot and Irish prisoners to the west indies. in the indies they Married the inhabitants. this produced light and dark. some got lighter some got darker as future marriages happened
thesde people when tested will still have the ydna r1b or the like
it will be assumed they are from slave owners. this might not be true

[whitkeen]

same name--different family

In the Whitney family, we had at least two well-documented lines, both the the surname "Whitney", and both reputed to have come from the town of Whitney-on-Wye which bore the family name. DNA testing has shown that the two Whitney families, one of which is not connected by paper records with Whitney-on-Wye, are not closely related. Given that Whitney is a place name, and a descriptive one at that, it seems probable that the two families, may well have come from the same town but not as relatives. We are not able to prove this one way or the other at this time, but we do now know where to look and what not to look for. There are a number of other "Whitneys" whom we cannot link at this time to either of the well-documented lines and they, also, may have come from the town of Whitney, at some time or other. Or they may not.

[jaken24]

Absolutely NOT uncommon, I would be surprised to find a surname group without multiple Haplogroups. Especially for the western hemisphere surnames associated with europeans. As Jim says many came over here, intermarried with local populations or with immigrants from other regions of the world. What a crazy mixed up place we live!

Jeffrey Stewart

[Jim Denning]

Absolutely NOT uncommon, I would be surprised to find a surname group without multiple Haplogroups. Especially for the western hemisphere surnames associated with europeans. As Jim says many came over here, intermarried with local populations or with immigrants from other regions of the world. What a crazy mixed up place we live!

Jeffrey Stewart

i suspect my people came from germany-england to scotland post reformation with Mary queen of scots and became jacobite . then imagrated to ireland with lady forbes as masons to build her castles
and best yet the german part was jewish sephardtic

and the scotland might be why me and jeff are so close

[jmarshal]

Black Dutch

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I've recently begun reseaching our family surname and have discovered that the SAPP surname belongs to families of Canadian Indians, Black Dutch (which I'm not even sure exactly what this term means), ordinary Caucasians of english decent, and an extremely large population of African-Americans. Each family group claims their independance from the other groups. Is it reasonable that any surname could arise independtly among such ethnically diverse families? Of couse I would love to have DNA samples taken from each of these groups, but they are also so sure that we are not interconnected. Any one facing the same problems, or have some insight they would like to share with me?

M.Sapp

Hi, to know more about where the term Black Dutch came from
try this link: http://www.geocities.com/mikenassau/BlackDutch.htm
Very interesting to read.
Junior Marshal