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    I am an illegitimate child of a mother who was adopted. For years I have wondered who I am and my ethnic background. My grandmother told me before she died that the father's name on my birth certificate is not my real father. I had asked my mother about this and she refuses to talk to me about it. It actually has caused a rift where we haven't spoken to each other for close to 20 years.

    I am not really on a search for my father. I am guessing he is dead as my grandmother said he was considerably older than my mother who is now 75. I would like to know if I have family out there from his side as well as my mother's birth family. I would really like to know my true ethnicity as well.

    I ordered a Family Finder kit last night so I guess I will see where that takes me. I am confused about the yDNA and mtDNA testing though. Getting my mother to test is not an option. Just wondering the best way to go it alone. I'm believing I will need to do both the yDNA and mtDNA to get the answers I seek?

  • #2
    mtDNA will be your mothers mothers mothers line (all female line)
    It will not help you with your father and for genealogical relevance one is recommended to take the Full Sequence mtDNA test. mtDNA can be the least useful
    https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/...-relationship/

    First test you should take is the FamilyFinder test, It covers all lines back about 5 Generations. You will be matched to others in the databases and given approximate relationship status (ie Parent/child, Sibling, 1st to 2nd cousin, ect)

    If you are male then I would also suggest a yDNA test of a minimum of 37markers. This may point to a possible surname of your father if others have of your yDNA STR signature have tested and are in the database.
    you can order at a discount through the following
    https://www.familytreedna.com/group-...?Group=Adopted
    There are also weekly discounts given during the month of December.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by prairielad View Post
      mtDNA will be your mothers mothers mothers line (all female line)
      It will not help you with your father and for genealogical relevance one is recommended to take the Full Sequence mtDNA test. mtDNA can be the least useful
      https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/...-relationship/

      First test you should take is the FamilyFinder test, It covers all lines back about 5 Generations. You will be matched to others in the databases and given approximate relationship status (ie Parent/child, Sibling, 1st to 2nd cousin, ect)

      If you are male then I would also suggest a yDNA test of a minimum of 37markers. This may point to a possible surname of your father if others have of your yDNA STR signature have tested and are in the database.
      you can order at a discount through the following
      https://www.familytreedna.com/group-...?Group=Adopted
      There are also weekly discounts given during the month of December.
      Thank you for the quick reply. I did indeed order the Family Finder kit last night and just got notice it is shipped to me. I am male and am planning on the YDNA test. Thank you for the discount information. I am definitely on a budget with disposable income. I was figuring I would need to do the mtDNA test as well to look into my mother's birth family.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Smurfe View Post
        Thank you for the quick reply. I did indeed order the Family Finder kit last night and just got notice it is shipped to me. I am male and am planning on the YDNA test. Thank you for the discount information. I am definitely on a budget with disposable income. I was figuring I would need to do the mtDNA test as well to look into my mother's birth family.
        I would hold off on the mtDNA for now and see what shows up using the FamilyFinder test. As mentioned mtDNA may not be of much help.

        Keep an eye out for weekly discount codes the month of December in the following Google document. It will be updated once the discount codes are issued in December
        https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1929263620
        Last edited by prairielad; 3rd November 2017, 10:20 AM.

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        • #5
          FamilyFinder was a great choice, and if you are lucky, may provide answers to relatives depending on who else has tested (or tests in the future).

          How reliable it is for ethnicity is debatable - but despite that --
          If there is any chance - possibly by concentrating your discussion on finding ethnicity?? - that you can talk your mother into doing the Family Finder Test, do so.

          Does she have any biological sisters or brothers (or other relatives) that you know of?

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          • #6
            You should upload to GEDmatch and GEDmatch Genesis when you get your results. People who tested with other companies upload there as well. I have 20x as many matches there as I do here. And the admixture calculators are pretty interesting.

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            • #7
              Don't forget to take an ancestry.com test too, they have a larger collection of autosomal DNA samples so you will probably find more relatives there,

              If possible I would highly recommend you ask your mother to do an ancestry.com test too (you can then import her DNA to FTDNA for free), anyone that matches you but not your mother will be a match on your fathers side :-)

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              • #8
                Because the over!ap between the different companies' chips is now lower (roughly 60% of same SNPs tested by FTDNA and Ancestry v2), it's better to test at each company than only Ancestry and transfer to every other site. Of the three big companies, FTDNA is the one with the most compatible test.

                https://dna-explained.com/2017/12/04...mily-tree-dna/

                https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_SNP_comparison_chart

                However, Ancestry doesn't accept transfers, and the only way to get into their database is to test directly with them.

                Even so, I caution everyone to fully read their terms and conditions as I myself won't agree to them.

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                • #9
                  I have been working with my Japanese daughter in law's test results for a couple years now and this is what I have seen....

                  Ancestry has a lot of matches because a lot people test there. She has 209 matches. Her ethnicity is shown as East Asian, so thats covers 3 billion people.

                  23andme also has a lot of matches 192. However 23andme breaks down the ethnicity to show Japanese and a small amount of Korean and Chinese. They nailed when compared with what the matches appear to be. They also give a Haplogroup. They also list who your matches match within your list of matches.

                  She did a transfer to GEDmatch, it is supper good to use, lots of things you can do on there, way more than I ever could figure out.

                  Then we did a transfer to FTDNA. She has 11 about 5th cousin matches. Now with that if you are other than Asian you will likely have way more matches then her. It also looks like they do with some test give you a haplogroup.

                  My suggestion is to test everyone and cover all your bases.
                  Really you never know were a good match will appear.

                  Good luck and happy testing!
                  Alan

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                  • #10
                    Just a follow up to my original post. I tested here (FTDNA) and had no close matches with 4th cousin being the closest. I uploaded to GEDMatch and everywhere else I could with no real different matches. I did an Ancestry kit and have four first cousin matches and eight second cousin matches. Two of the first cousins' match me and each other. The other two first cousins match each other and me but not the other two. Sames goes for the second cousins. Half one side, the other half the other side. It looks like I may have found my Paternal and Maternal lines with the Ancestry test.

                    I have made contact with the first cousin and a second cousin from what I believe is my maternal side. Times, dates, places of residence line up with where my mother was born. So far, no one from the other side has replied back to me. It looks like neither has logged into Ancestry for close to a year. I'm hoping they do as I have a very strong feeling this is my biological father's family.

                    What is nice as well is that one person on each side have very extensive family trees back to the 1500's Each tree is totally different. One has over 10,000 descendants and the other around 3000. I have been able to use each of these to start following other cousins trees on sites like FTDNA, My Heritage, and GEDMatch.

                    I upgraded my FTDNA Family Finder kit yesterday to a Y-67 kit so we will see what that tells me as well. This is starting to get really interesting.

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                    • #11
                      @Smurfe-

                      Seems like you've hit pay dirt in your quest to discover you heritage, which is great. Not everyone will respond, so take that with a grain of salt.

                      The only thing I would add here is that I would be leery of Trees that have 3,000 and 10,000 people, respectively. Not saying this is "for certain" in your case here, but those sound a lot like Trees from people who copy and paste from others' Trees, and without proper documentation. Point being, don't believe everything you see. There are a lot of lazy "genealogists" out there.

                      Continued good luck.

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                      • #12
                        What you'll want to do is to triangulate your closest matches, to see what ancestor you all have in common. Click on Ancestry's "what does this mean?" to see their predicted relationship, and they will give you the probably degrees of the relationship, then with a range of degrees.

                        They also give you a few scenarios of how you and your match might be related.

                        You can also go to https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcm and key in how many centiMorgans Ancestry says you share with your match, to give you some scenarios on how you might be related to your match. (get the centiMorgans shared by clicking on Ancestry's little "i" icon next to confidence extremely high.)

                        I wish you much success!

                        P.S. Lots of people just use the DNA test to look at their ethnicity and then don't sign on again. So don't be disheartened if some don't respond back to you. Just figure it out by those with public trees, you can do it!
                        Last edited by RebeccaR; 2nd January 2018, 03:13 PM.

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                        • #13
                          mjclayton31 - Many people at Ancestry probably do copy people/ancestors and info from other people's trees; but I do not think there is a mechanism/feature to do an actual copy and paste. You cannot even do a copy and paste in their message system if you wanted to send a URL. Please, please correct me if I am wrong.

                          Ancestry's tools for navigating are archaic; and many do not work properly and some, not at all. There is no longer a properly-working page turner in the dna matches (I have 45,000 matches), or a way to count matches. That just scratches the surface of their tools/navigational problems. Just a very frustrating experience overall; so I just cancelled my subscription. Also, very few trees compared to 1-2 years ago. Now, only about 6% of my new matches have usable trees.

                          Sorry, this forum is not the place to discuss the competition. Got carried away....
                          Last edited by Biblioteque; 2nd January 2018, 03:39 PM.

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                          • #14
                            @marietta

                            Not copy and "paste," per se, so a poor choice of words on my part. Simply "copy" would've sufficed, and by that I mean taking connections as being "fool-proof" without and corresponding evidence.

                            Personally, I think the citation of "Ancestry Family Tree" as a source for a person's Tree connection is about as dumb as it gets. I made a mistake (or two) in relying on such assertions (tomfoolery) many moons ago that I'm still trying to unwind to this day. I made the added mistake of making further connections based on same, which makes unwinding a more delicate scenario (certain other connections made may indeed be correct).

                            Beyond that, I still like using Ancestry as my base Tree, but agree that it's DNA tools, etc., are severely lacking (no Chromosome Browser, etc.).
                            Last edited by mjclayton31; 4th January 2018, 01:23 PM.

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