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  • darroll
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    Originally posted by keigh View Post
    MtDNA can be done on both sexes and will show that a brother and sister match, or that they match their mother's brothers and sisters. However if you go back a generation on the mother's line only her daughters will match with her mother's mother and that lady's children. So my brother, who matches me, can match our mother's brothers and sisters and to those nephews and nieces who are born to our mother's sisters. Any nephew and niece born to an uncle would have the uncle's wife's mtDNA.

    If a person has their grandfather's mtDNA tested they could use that to match to their grandfather's mother's family up to a point. That point being that they would match the sisters and brothers of the great grandmother, but none of the descendants of the grandfather's uncles.

    So mtDNA can be used to trace male relatives but under very specific and limiting restrictions.

    And it can't be used to trace a male's line in the case of the OP since she doesn't have a sample of the father's mtDNA. Her mtDNA is present in her childrens' genetic makeup not their father's.
    Thanks.
    I also found that one match seems to mutate with just one generation. (My Uncle had one mutation, he was my Mothers lost brother)

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  • keigh
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    MtDNA can be done on both sexes and will show that a brother and sister match, or that they match their mother's brothers and sisters. However if you go back a generation on the mother's line only her daughters will match with her mother's mother and that lady's children. So my brother, who matches me, can match our mother's brothers and sisters and to those nephews and nieces who are born to our mother's sisters. Any nephew and niece born to an uncle would have the uncle's wife's mtDNA.

    If a person has their grandfather's mtDNA tested they could use that to match to their grandfather's mother's family up to a point. That point being that they would match the sisters and brothers of the great grandmother, but none of the descendants of the grandfather's uncles.

    So mtDNA can be used to trace male relatives but under very specific and limiting restrictions.

    And it can't be used to trace a male's line in the case of the OP since she doesn't have a sample of the father's mtDNA. Her mtDNA is present in her childrens' genetic makeup not their father's.
    Last edited by keigh; 14 September 2016, 01:52 PM.

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  • BBA64
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    Originally posted by gtc View Post
    Not categorically true for every case. Hypothetically, an mtDNA match may find a previously unknown sibling who may know who the searched for biological father is.
    It sounds like daroll may have found a paternal relative, but they happened to share the same female ancestor to donated their X. MTDNA didn't exactly reveal the relative directly, it was just an oblique angle at the same targets.

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  • darroll
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    Originally posted by mattn View Post
    I am well aware how mitochodrial DNA is and how it works. Males and females receive it from their mother, only females pass it on to the next generation. You seem confused on how it is inherited and in what situations using it for DNA testing can be helpful, in this case it is the opposite side of the tree that they are searching to find. The rest of your post I read 3 times and couldn't understand it at all so I can't answer, I will leave this thread be as it's getting off topic.
    This is the reason that I stay with FTDNA. MTDNA is a great tool but politically incorrect. They want to keep it complicated so people will spend more money.

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  • mattn
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    Originally posted by darroll View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble. MTDNA does work for both sexes.
    If you are ready to panic, my cousin did not have his DNA tested and we still match. (he is also deceased)
    Our latest perfect match is with a male that had a rare surname and from a small town in Northern California. It can't be me and they had a baby son as I lived in Indiana. I knew his girlfriend on earlier visits and this was before she become pregnant. Please explain to me why some guy would match my DNA without a reason. I won't use their names but ask FTDNA or people that match me to look at my first perfect MTDNA match for 9/2016.
    I have a new match with a gal? Katja so it would be the secone match.
    I am well aware how mitochodrial DNA is and how it works. Males and females receive it from their mother, only females pass it on to the next generation. You seem confused on how it is inherited and in what situations using it for DNA testing can be helpful, in this case it is the opposite side of the tree that they are searching to find. The rest of your post I read 3 times and couldn't understand it at all so I can't answer, I will leave this thread be as it's getting off topic.

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  • darroll
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    Sorry to burst your bubble. MTDNA does work for both sexes.
    If you are ready to panic, my cousin did not have his DNA tested and we still match. (he is also deceased)
    Our latest perfect match is with a male that had a rare surname and from a small town in Northern California. It can't be me and they had a baby son as I lived in Indiana. I knew his girlfriend on earlier visits and this was before she become pregnant. Please explain to me why some guy would match my DNA without a reason. I won't use their names but ask FTDNA or people that match me to look at my first perfect MTDNA match for 9/2016.
    I have a new match with a gal? Katja so it would be the secone match.
    Last edited by darroll; 12 September 2016, 03:29 PM.

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  • mattn
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    Originally posted by gtc View Post
    Not categorically true for every case. Hypothetically, an mtDNA match may find a previously unknown sibling who may know who the searched for biological father is.
    I was talking about CuriousAdoptee's situation. Do you believe they should spend money on an mtDNA test to find their father's identity?

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  • gtc
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    Originally posted by mattn View Post
    They are looking for their birth father as others have pointed out mtDNA is not going to help.
    Not categorically true for every case. Hypothetically, an mtDNA match may find a previously unknown sibling who may know who the searched for biological father is.

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  • darroll
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    Originally posted by mattn View Post
    It seems CuriousAdoptee is doing fine on their quest in how they are going about it. I don't know if you think you are helping them at all but you are giving a lot of bad/uninformed advice. They are looking for their birth father as others have pointed out mtDNA is not going to help. A child gets their mtDNA from their mother. As far as Family Finder is concerned you do not need 1500 or even a 1000 cM match to be of significance. 2nd and 3rd cousins will share much less than this and if both you and your match have a tree tracing to your respective great great grandparents the common ancestors should be easy to spot. Many adoptees have identified birthparents using matches that shared much less than 1000 cM. If you are interested in DNA and genetic genealogy there are a lot of good resources out there to see how these tests work and what family lines they will trace, you can learn a lot just by reading the forums.
    Heck I'm just going by experience. My missing Uncle was found with MTDNA. Read my previous posts.
    Our under 1000 CM matches are no help. Our family left us great records and I know who our family is. I just did all the DNA tests to verify our line back to 17xx's and to help people with no idea as who they are.

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  • mattn
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    Originally posted by darroll View Post
    I don't know if I'm being redundant but our family's best results happened on MTDNA (FTDNA) for boys and girls. We have about eight perfect matches and according to other indicators there is more that are anonymous. I just hang around here even though I'm not their favorite poster. Our latest find is my deceased cousins kin. We have the same grandmother, so a perfect match verified that his girlfriend had a little one.(Bambino) I knew her and did not know of a little one as she lives in another state.

    Originally posted by darroll View Post
    This is what I have found by many years of doing DNA genealogy. FTDNA(s)FF is only something to look into if your match is around 1500. If you have a match of 45, keep looking.
    It seems CuriousAdoptee is doing fine on their quest in how they are going about it. I don't know if you think you are helping them at all but you are giving a lot of bad/uninformed advice. They are looking for their birth father as others have pointed out mtDNA is not going to help. A child gets their mtDNA from their mother. As far as Family Finder is concerned you do not need 1500 or even a 1000 cM match to be of significance. 2nd and 3rd cousins will share much less than this and if both you and your match have a tree tracing to your respective great great grandparents the common ancestors should be easy to spot. Many adoptees have identified birthparents using matches that shared much less than 1000 cM. If you are interested in DNA and genetic genealogy there are a lot of good resources out there to see how these tests work and what family lines they will trace, you can learn a lot just by reading the forums.

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  • darroll
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    I don't know if I'm being redundant but our family's best results happened on MTDNA (FTDNA) for boys and girls. We have about eight perfect matches and according to other indicators there is more that are anonymous. I just hang around here even though I'm not their favorite poster. Our latest find is my deceased cousins kin. We have the same grandmother, so a perfect match verified that his girlfriend had a little one.(Bambino) I knew her and did not know of a little one as she lives in another state.

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  • CuriousAdoptee
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    Originally posted by darroll View Post
    What test shows Jewish ancestry?
    23&Me showed 2% European Jewish and DNA Land had 3% but My Origins here on FTDNA shows 0%. Ancestry shows a trace <1%.

    What could have happened is the sibling or cousin of one of my ancestors married into a Jewish family back in the 1500s. That DNA is considered both German and Jewish.

    It's frustrating that I do actually have 4th cousins or closer matches on FTDNA but it's impossible to figure out who they are on Family Finder without knowing who they are. Several of my moms cousins actually have transferred from Ancestry, but they are buried by all the garbage matches.

    There is absolutely no possible way without a close match that I would have been able to figure out my birthparents from Family Finder. My top match is listed as a 2nd-4th cousin (more like a 12th cousin or even more distant) with 39 total cM and 20 cM longest block.

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  • darroll
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    Originally posted by darroll View Post
    I like Israels foreign policy. FF verified my niece, if the numbers that are under 1000 they are hard to figure out whether it's a match or a long time ago?.... match..... noise
    We thought that my Mom was Indian, no way. That was the only thing we could call her to keep from getting our head busted. What test shows Jewish ancestry?

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  • darroll
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    Originally posted by CuriousAdoptee View Post
    Of course, but 99% of my matches are Ashkenazi Jewish even though I have no known Ashkenazi heritage.

    I have a long list of 2nd-4th cousins on Family Finder which caused me to spend months and month researching how I was related to people who's parents suffered through the Holocaust in concentration camps.

    While I now have a great appreciation for Jewish culture and have read a great deal about the Holocaust, it did nothing to actually help me find my birthfamily. Likely I have a common ancestor who was either Jewish or converted to Judaism in the 1500s or early 1600s.

    Only when Ancestry did their update and my true matches were left was I able to get rid of all the noise and find my true matches.

    Another half 1st cousin tested with Ancestry and I got the results this week which confirms I'm closely related.

    Meanwhile, this week on FTDNA I got 22 new matches who are Ashkenazi with 5 new 3rd to 5th cousins. One is a Rabbi. Family Finder is a waste of time since they won't filter those garbage matches out.
    I like Israels foreign policy. FF verified my niece, if the numbers that are under 1000 they are hard to figure out whether it's a match or a long time ago?.... match..... noise

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  • CuriousAdoptee
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    Originally posted by darroll View Post
    Did you try Family Finder?
    Of course, but 99% of my matches are Ashkenazi Jewish even though I have no known Ashkenazi heritage.

    I have a long list of 2nd-4th cousins on Family Finder which caused me to spend months and month researching how I was related to people who's parents suffered through the Holocaust in concentration camps.

    While I now have a great appreciation for Jewish culture and have read a great deal about the Holocaust, it did nothing to actually help me find my birthfamily. Likely I have a common ancestor who was either Jewish or converted to Judaism in the 1500s or early 1600s.

    Only when Ancestry did their update and my true matches were left was I able to get rid of all the noise and find my true matches.

    Another half 1st cousin tested with Ancestry and I got the results this week which confirms I'm closely related.

    Meanwhile, this week on FTDNA I got 22 new matches who are Ashkenazi with 5 new 3rd to 5th cousins. One is a Rabbi. Family Finder is a waste of time since they won't filter those garbage matches out.
    Last edited by CuriousAdoptee; 9 September 2016, 10:19 PM.

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