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  • #46
    Please refrain from posting any first names of people involved in your research. It would be okay if they chose to join the forum and post through their own account, but posting personally identifying information for someone else is not allowed.

    -Darren
    Family Tree DNA

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    • #47
      I looked at deleting the entire thread but I can not find that option. Best to remove all my posts from your forum.
      I know I used names in them too and where they lived if they are related or not and other assorted information.

      If I can delete them then let me know how and I will remove them myself.

      Alan

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      • #48
        Hi Alan,

        I went through and I think I removed anything that could be considered personally identifying. So you should be okay.

        -Darren

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        • #49
          Well its been a long time since I posted last. With only 11 5th cousin matches its hard to get excited to log in.

          So Lots of new information, basically looks like we know what village the mothers side of the family is in. Directly finding the mother and sisters has pretty much failed. So we targeted the birth mothers home address and found out that side of the family live nearby. Its just now a matter of time and phone calls to make contact. I am hoping soon, but I hoped that 10 years ago. My wife and I are planing a trip to Aomori and Sapporo in the spring, kind of a plan B.

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          • #50
            So a tiny bit more info...

            This lead started out with Google maps. I was looking at the mothers home address from 1967 and one day a Scallop store shows up for that address. I have no idea why or how. Anyway this store has the same last name as the third cousin from Aomori, (another story).
            So I had a translator in Okinawa call the phone number listed. A guy answers and say this is the fisherman's work group. Then he goes on to say he knows the grandfather and he had passed away, but the family lives nearby.
            Then says call this other guy and he knows more...
            So the translator called that guy and he pretty much says he didn't know them, or maybe some other family.

            So the grandfather if alive today would be about 100, so that he is deceased makes sense. If there has been turmoil in the family then its likely some people might know of it and want to avoid any conversation about it.

            I found another translator in Misawa that is going to make some calls next month when she is not busy and try to track them down.

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            • #51
              Japanese phone book

              Time for another update...

              Every time I try to get anywhere with translators it pretty much fails right away.

              So the other day I was searching something on Google and was on page 3 of the results and clicked on something. It brought up a page in mostly Japanese, but had a little English that said Net Phone Book. Well it turned out to be a jackpot!
              I had asked many Japanese cousins and read so many posts that there are no phone books in Japan. Well I found one.
              I don't think I can post links on here so PM me if you need it.
              I used Google web translate, but Chrome will translate using a right click and translate. So its for land lines not cell phones. For free you can view 2000, 2007 and 2012 listings. For 500yen a month you can get 2016 and way back to 1993. I don't how well it will work for everyone. Some people likely just switch over to cell phone, but less likely the farther back in time you go.
              I was able to see the address and phone number of the biol-family. I was able to see who the owner of a fish store that I think is related. I seen other people that are likely cousins.
              I wish I could have found this a long time ago!

              I found someone who is going to attempt contact with the family in the next couple of days. Hopefully they haven't moved.

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              • #52
                Thank you for the update Alan.
                That phone book is terrific!

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                • #53
                  Phone Book Subscription

                  So for 500 Yen, about $5. you can get a 30 day subscription to this phone book. That opens up dates back to 1993 and the most current date of 2016. Since I am also looking for the grandfather I want to see 1993.

                  I tried to pay for a subscriptions and failed. I tried my debit card and it wouldn't go through. It gave me an error that I wasn't able to translate because it was in its own window that didn't allow copy and paste.

                  Next I tried the Amazon gift card and I found out I need to have a Japanese Amazon account, the US one doesn't work on the Japanese site.

                  Next I talked to my son about paying with Bit Coin and he was sure how to pay or what was needed to pay by Bit Coin.

                  So now I have resorted to asking cousins and anyone I know in Japan for a favor to get a 30 day subscription.

                  Update on the lady who was going to make a call for us... looks like she changed her mind. Oh well.

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                  • #54
                    It appears to get a subscription to this phone book you need to probably be in Japan. I tried and a cousin tried and we got nowhere with the subscription.

                    One friend tried to call the home and no one answered, likely screening the calls.

                    So I switched plans. We sent a telegram through Itelegram yesterday to the mother home. It was pricey at $51 for a short message with contact information. Its one to two day delivery. They try to hand deliver if they can, so we are hoping it gets some attention.

                    Alan

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                    • #55
                      So after a couple emails back and forth to Itelegram here is what the final word is... The head of house hold refused to accept the message. This was not a failed delivery.

                      Now comes the hard part, getting them to communicate!!

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                      • #56
                        Its been awhile so time for an update.
                        I have tried several attempts and so has the DIL to communicate with her mother and have not got through. It seems the non bio father is not having it. Which I suspected. The mother might not even be aware of whats going on. I have since moved to Korea so now now I am a quick flight away from them. The wife and I are planning a trip to Aomori next Spring. I am going to the local cemetery and photograph everything. Then I will attempt to meet with family on the mothers side and see if they can arrange a meeting without revealing too much information. I plan to visit the local high schools and view year books to see if the sisters are in there. Another cousin is currently helping me by joining a message board for the local schools and seeing if he can find the sisters. He also helped by downloading property registries and found some more names that may be on the fathers side. Hoping to match up with the cemetery and 3rd cousins information.

                        Two years ago I thought I was at the end of this search.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by 1alan1 View Post
                          Its been awhile so time for an update.
                          I have tried several attempts and so has the DIL to communicate with her mother and have not got through. It seems the non bio father is not having it. Which I suspected. The mother might not even be aware of whats going on. I have since moved to Korea so now now I am a quick flight away from them. The wife and I are planning a trip to Aomori next Spring. I am going to the local cemetery and photograph everything. Then I will attempt to meet with family on the mothers side and see if they can arrange a meeting without revealing too much information. I plan to visit the local high schools and view year books to see if the sisters are in there. Another cousin is currently helping me by joining a message board for the local schools and seeing if he can find the sisters. He also helped by downloading property registries and found some more names that may be on the fathers side. Hoping to match up with the cemetery and 3rd cousins information.

                          Two years ago I thought I was at the end of this search.
                          Interesting thread. I will follow your journey.

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                          • #58
                            This is the last update.......

                            The phone book does work. I had to have my debit card set to allow charges from Japan. Then it gave me the extra years. But a warning to go along with this. I did find some of the information partly incorrect, so use with caution.
                            I contacted everyone possible and tried to think of anyway to find the family and just ended up with some possibilities from old records. I finally gave up and bought tickets to Aomori and 5 nights at the APA Ekihigashi hotel. The first day I searched for the younger of the two older sisters. Nothing. I talked to about 15 neighbors total and no one ever heard of her.
                            The second day I met with a distant cousin from FTDNA and we went to the family's home town. We started with checking three cemetery's. We found lots of names and some headstones with no names. None of the names were the grand parents.
                            We then went to the older sisters last known address 1993. The phone Book showed the ex-husbad still lived there and operated a dance studio at the same address. The neighbor said he moved away ten years ago. The sign on the side of the house said home remodeling! I'm not sure about his career choices or bad translation.
                            So we took lunch at a little Ramen noodle shop. While there the cousin and I talked about what to do. He said well Japanese villages often have like a community organizer for all sorts of things. He said usually an old person who knows everyone. Then he looks up and asks the cook if he knows the mother and he smiles and calls out to his mother. She comes out and says yes I know her. I said I have a picture but I think its her grandmother. She said no its was her mother and she lives near by. So we go up there and go to an address from the phone book which turns out wrong. Then we ask several old lady's as we drive around and end up at the house address from the original documents. They lived at the same address 35+ years. But I am still not sure what the address is. Anyway the cousin says he'll go first and check. He said no one is home. So darn we go back to the Ramen shop and the lady says she gets up at 3;00am and rides her bike to where she works. So she is probably out somewhere. We didn't see the sisters either.

                            So...we regroup and decide to go back the next evening to try and catch her home. So we do and see a small light on, but no one answers the door again. So the cousin talks to an old man next door. He says she is sleeping already. So they set up a plan for the final day. I gave him four pictures of her daughter and he said he will talk to her.
                            This morning I get a message for a meeting in the afternoon at the Aomori Tourist Center, a big pyramid shaped building. So we meet and of course we can't speak to each other, so we call the cousin then pass the cell phone back and forth, I gave more pictures and some gifts and find out the sisters are good with meeting her and everyone is happy.

                            An that's how you find people in Japan,.. kind of.

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