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  • #16
    Originally posted by loobster View Post
    It hasn't even occurred to me to look on Facebook for FTDNA info and discussions - apparently I need to??
    Facebook seems to be passé...

    For a moment, we need to look there, but creating a Facebook account today would be definitely going against the flow.


    Mr. W.

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    • #17
      I have a Facebook account. Last year I deactivated it for many months, mostly to avoid the drama of way too many political comments, and to stop wasting time using it. Later, I rejoined; partially to keep up with some younger relatives, but also to join various genealogy and genetic genealogy groups.

      Facebook is still a time waster, and of course now all know about the privacy issues. But occasionally I have gleaned good information about genealogy and genetic genealogy. Just yesterday, on the ISOGG Facebook group, it was announced by Debbie Cruwys Kennett that Jean Manco* had died; I haven't seen that mentioned elsewhere yet. Facebook is good for hearing breaking news about genealogy, such as if a new feature has come out at MyHeritage or other company, for getting help with questions, and for discussions about genealogy topics. The issue is, is it really worth finding out such things, at the cost of privacy?

      As part of any use of Facebook, all of these groups, whether for genealogy or otherwise, are known to be a part of Facebook's profiling of their users. Every "Like" or other action taken about a post, or a post made to a group or anywhere else, is duly noted by Facebook's algorithms. So I am very torn, and every day I consider again deactivating (or even deleting) my account.

      The only real compelling reason that I am staying on Facebook right now is because a relative I never knew growing up has just recently communicated with me via private messages there. This is after other attempts at reaching her or her family did not succeed. She seems reluctant to use other methods of communication. I hope to find some potentially brick-wall breaking information from this cousin. If we end up emailing each other, I may well pull the plug on Facebook.

      *Jean Manco - author of "Ancestral Journeys: The Peopling of Europe from the First Venturers to the Vikings," "Blood of the Celts," and the upcoming book "The Origins of the Anglo-Saxons: The New Ancestral Story"; her website, "Ancestral Journeys," is currently down, but can be seen archived at the Wayback Machine; she was also a poster at Anthrogenica.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by KATM View Post
        The only real compelling reason that I am staying on Facebook right now is because a relative I never knew growing up has just recently communicated with me via private messages there. This is after other attempts at reaching her or her family did not succeed. She seems reluctant to use other methods of communication. I hope to find some potentially brick-wall breaking information from this cousin. If we end up emailing each other, I may well pull the plug on Facebook.
        So if she refuses to communicate with you via private e-mail what does that portend? Why would she refuse to do so?

        We have more channels and devices available than ever - but less communication than ever.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by loobster View Post
          It hasn't even occurred to me to look on Facebook for FTDNA info and discussions - apparently I need to??
          I've visited the FTDNA page on facebook a couple of times over the past 6 months, to see if there was any 'official' word about website outages. There wasn't. The page seems to be mostly a marketing exercise.

          There's also an FTDNA Users group (a closed group - you have to apply to join it) but it has no official connection with FTDNA and its admins seem to be people who have tested with FTDNA. It covers pretty much what these forums cover.

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          • #20
            I joined facebook five years ago, because it was the only way I could get in touch with my only known full cousin on my father's side. We now keep in touch via email.

            Even if you join facebook, you don't have to 'do' (be active on) it - you don't have to post and you don't have to have 'friends'. And you can join under an alias, with an email address that belongs to that alias.

            I've joined several dna/genealogy groups on facebook. All are closed groups, so they're relatively private (although probably not immune from fb's data-gathering). Most are specific to a surname or locality, which makes them very useful - or at least interesting At a more general level, the ISOGG group is reasonably serious and is worth considering. There's also a Genetic Genealogy Tips & Techniques group set up by Blaine Bettinger; it can be a bit 'breathless' at times but posts always get a response and the moderators are quick to correct errors in information. Overall, the enthusiasm and help that posters get on the fb genealogy groups reminds me of the Rootsweb mailing lists 15-20 years ago

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MoberlyDrake View Post
              We used to have a lot of DNA experts here who would answer questions. Now it seems like the only questions that get answered are the ones about which test to buy, how to set up an account, transfers and ethnicities.
              I started out here on this forum knowing almost nothing and asking all kings of stupid questions. I've learned a lot, but I'd still like to get the opinions of experts in some areas. I don't like to jump to conclusions and end up with false ancestors.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MoberlyDrake View Post
                We used to have a lot of DNA experts here who would answer questions. Now it seems like the only questions that get answered are the ones about which test to buy, how to set up an account, transfers and ethnicities. Questions about using DNA to try to break down genealogy brick walls with segment matching, etc. don't get answered.

                I started out here on this forum knowing almost nothing and asking all kings of stupid questions. I've learned a lot, but I'd still like to get the opinions of experts in some areas. I don't like to jump to conclusions and end up with false ancestors.
                There were a lot of knowledgeable people around a few years ago. However, I notice that there are still a few like Ann Turner, Prairielad, and a few others. People like MKDexter, who was very helpful to me, haven't been around nor has nolnacsj and so many who had so much knowledge. What happened to efgen? There are too many to list as here or gone but it is great to recognize names of people who have been here for a long time.

                The above LSS post is me. That was a name I used for a short time and wanted to check out my messages for names. I don't use it now.
                Last edited by Cats; 31 March 2018, 08:07 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Carpathian View Post
                  So if she refuses to communicate with you via private e-mail what does that portend? Why would she refuse to do so?

                  We have more channels and devices available than ever - but less communication than ever.
                  She has not come out and said she will not communicate by email, but I have given her my email address several times, and she has not chosen to use it, so far. I hold out hope that she'll get around to using it. Using email, while it is the privacy equivalent to sending information on a postcard, is in my mind at least a tad better privacy-wise than messaging on Facebook, or perhaps sending messages via 23andMe or Ancestry (most of which don't get replies, anyway).

                  People have many other things to take care of in life, and getting back to me may be low on her list for various reasons. Her first message to me was promising, but her responses dwindled and are infrequent. She did offer to answer questions as best as she could, and I hope she will eventually. Perhaps she is checking with her other family members first, to confirm information. I know she has read my latter messages, since Facebook does show them as being "seen," with a time stamp; but she has not replied to them.

                  Getting back to Facebook as a source of vibrant discussion of genetic genealogy issues, there are many groups. I have gotten help from several, giving me leads and actual answers to several long term unsolved questions in my genealogy research for my own family. Translation is one area that has helped me. It is hard to give that potential help up, by opting out of Facebook.

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                  • #24
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                    She has not come out and said she will not communicate by email, but I have given her my email address several times, and she has not chosen to use it, so far. I hold out hope that she'll get around to using it.
                    So far? She might get around to using it? If she doesn't want to communicate by e-mail, there's a reason why she doesn't. It never ceases to amaze me how most people hope and dream, including imagining positive scenarios to rationalize the behavior of others.

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                    • #25
                      Roberta Estes Blog is very good:

                      https://dna-explained.com/

                      However, it's not really a forum but has some excellent learning tools.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Carpathian View Post

                        So far? She might get around to using it? If she doesn't want to communicate by e-mail, there's a reason why she doesn't. It never ceases to amaze me how most people hope and dream, including imagining positive scenarios to rationalize the behavior of others.
                        Not to derail this thread, but to answer this question: it is still early days. It's only been less than two weeks since "first contact" on her side, so I'm willing to wait. As for having hope, that was discussed by the minister in church this morning. I think most genealogists have to have some degree of hope for success, whether it comes from a person which with they keep trying to make contact, or slowly making their way through records to find information.

                        Earlier in the thread you mentioned that Rootsweb is considered passé, and I don't agree with that, either (providing that it ever returns). I think we can agree to disagree on that and other points, and leave it at that.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by KATM View Post
                          Not to derail this thread, but to answer this question: it is still early days. It's only been less than two weeks since "first contact" on her side, so I'm willing to wait.
                          Two weeks is a mere blink of an eye in the passage of time. So you are right to have hope. But I think that a reply from her to your introduction would have been appropriate, if not expected. For many of us we receive no responses from most of our contacts, and as the months and years pass the probability diminishes exponentially.

                          Earlier in the thread you mentioned that Rootsweb is considered passé, and I don't agree with that, either (providing that it ever returns). I think we can agree to disagree on that and other points, and leave it at that.
                          I wish it would return. Meanwhile I'm not holding my breath...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by KATM View Post
                            She has not come out and said she will not communicate by email, but I have given her my email address several times, and she has not chosen to use it, so far. I hold out hope that she'll get around to using it. Using email, while it is the privacy equivalent to sending information on a postcard, is in my mind at least a tad better privacy-wise than messaging on Facebook, or perhaps sending messages via 23andMe or Ancestry (most of which don't get replies, anyway).

                            People have many other things to take care of in life, and getting back to me may be low on her list for various reasons. Her first message to me was promising, but her responses dwindled and are infrequent. She did offer to answer questions as best as she could, and I hope she will eventually. Perhaps she is checking with her other family members first, to confirm information. I know she has read my latter messages, since Facebook does show them as being "seen," with a time stamp; but she has not replied to them.

                            Getting back to Facebook as a source of vibrant discussion of genetic genealogy issues, there are many groups. I have gotten help from several, giving me leads and actual answers to several long term unsolved questions in my genealogy research for my own family. Translation is one area that has helped me. It is hard to give that potential help up, by opting out of Facebook.
                            It seems a lot of the "under 40" crowd do not do email. My granddaughter ( mid thirties) does not do email. It is either text, instant messaging or phone. Her husband doesn't do email either. I have been in contact with a 30ish distant relative in a nearby city, she contacts her father in Australia who sends me an email with her replies Don't give up hope

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by dots View Post
                              It seems a lot of the "under 40" crowd do not do email. My granddaughter ( mid thirties) does not do email. It is either text, instant messaging or phone. Her husband doesn't do email either. I have been in contact with a 30ish distant relative in a nearby city, she contacts her father in Australia who sends me an email with her replies Don't give up hope
                              Anyone who is literate and is interested in genealogy knows how to write an e-mail. If they don't want to respond, there's a reason why they don't respond. (And it isn't that they are deceased, or that they are too young to know how to compose a response.) Dare I say that some people expect that by their responding little or not at all, they expect to be given information from those who are being made to feel uncomfortable by a lack of response from them?

                              The 'silent treatment' and other forms of emotional manipulation are often effective strategies. "The one who speaks next, loses."

                              If that is the case, don't respond. If they don't care, why should you? No one can make them care. Let them wait. And you too must wait.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by dots View Post
                                It seems a lot of the "under 40" crowd do not do email. ......
                                If I send my son an e-mail, I have to send him a text message telling him to check his e-mail or he may not see it.

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