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  • #91
    Originally posted by MMaddi View Post
    No one takes the extreme position that you are expressing in your post I've quoted. This is another of your straw man arguments.

    Please stop misrepresenting the views of those who disagree with you! It's dishonest to put words in other's mouths.
    So you have not read any posts stating that the first U106 arrived in Britain after the Roman occupation.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
      So you have not read any posts stating that the first U106 arrived in Britain after the Roman occupation.
      Here's the false statement that you posted that I objected to: "Misinformation such as all U106 moved together and all spoke the exact same language and all belonged to the exact same culture throughout their 6000 year history."

      How does your latest post, above, relate directly to what I just quoted? Any rational person sees no connection between the points in your two posts. Either you're not rational or you're just trying to deny that you're putting words in the mouths of those who disagree with you, by throwing in a non-sequitur.

      Either way it doesn't reflect well on you, but then it seems that you don't care about what other people think.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by 1798 View Post
        Misinformation such as all U106 moved together and all spoke the exact same language and all belonged to the exact same culture throughout their 6000 year history.
        No one has ever said that.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by 1798 View Post
          So you have not read any posts stating that the first U106 arrived in Britain after the Roman occupation.
          Is there any evidence that it arrived before the Roman occupation? Most, if not all, U106 in Britain seems to have arrived within the last 1500 years. If you are aware of any evidence that U106 has been in Britain for over 2,000 years then please post links to it.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by N21163 View Post
            I find this doesn't achieve anything Darren, as at times others can be misled by misinformation.
            I can understand that approach. Not everyone can disagree with cool heads and there is no need to result in insulting other people (I am not singling out anyone specifically). Rather than someone risk getting banned from the forum because they get so upset with another poster, better to ignore them and move on.

            -Darren
            Family Tree DNA

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            • #96
              Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
              Is there any evidence that it arrived before the Roman occupation? Most, if not all, U106 in Britain seems to have arrived within the last 1500 years. If you are aware of any evidence that U106 has been in Britain for over 2,000 years then please post links to it.
              Where is the evidence? This is all to do with frequency not scientific data. L21 frequency is highest in Ireland but no one will accept an Irish origin. R1b frequency is highest in western Europe and WE is not accepted as place of origin.


              In Germany 19% of R1b is U106 and 24% is P312 so any population movements from Germany in the past were a mixture of haplogroups. They didn't have dna testing available 2000 or 1500 ybp.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                Where is the evidence? This is all to do with frequency not scientific data. L21 frequency is highest in Ireland but no one will accept an Irish origin. R1b frequency is highest in western Europe and WE is not accepted as place of origin.


                In Germany 19% of R1b is U106 and 24% is P312 so any population movements from Germany in the past were a mixture of haplogroups. They didn't have dna testing available 2000 or 1500 ybp.
                U106 is most commonly found in areas which were colonized by the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes, the Vikings and the Normans. This indicates that the genetic marker was probably not commonly found in Britain until around 1500 years ago. If you have evidence that it was in Britain even earlier then please present it. DF21 was found in one of the Hinxton samples from around 2000 years ago. This means that it is older than any sample found in Ireland. If you are aware of even older samples of either DF21 or L21 from Ireland then please present it. R1b was found in the Yamnaya, an eastern European group, which means that it is unlikely that R1b evolved in western Europe. P312 was probably conquered by U106 which is why Germans speak German and not an Italic or Celtic language. P312 is most commonly found in areas that either are or were Italic or Celtic speaking.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
                  U106 is most commonly found in areas which were colonized by the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes, the Vikings and the Normans. This indicates that the genetic marker was probably not commonly found in Britain until around 1500 years ago. If you have evidence that it was in Britain even earlier then please present it. DF21 was found in one of the Hinxton samples from around 2000 years ago. This means that it is older than any sample found in Ireland. If you are aware of even older samples of either DF21 or L21 from Ireland then please present it. R1b was found in the Yamnaya, an eastern European group, which means that it is unlikely that R1b evolved in western Europe. P312 was probably conquered by U106 which is why Germans speak German and not an Italic or Celtic language. P312 is most commonly found in areas that either are or were Italic or Celtic speaking.
                  That is nonsense and well you know it. You cannot tie a single dna haplogroup to a language and culture. The U106 group state that southern Germany is the likely place of origin 4,600 ybp. P312's likely place of origin was Iberia. That goes against all that you have written because Germany was a Celtic region.

                  Irish,Scottish and Welsh people speak English. Does that mean that they are all ethnically English and they all belong in a single haplogroup?

                  Z2103 was found in eastern Europe not U106 nor P312.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                    That is nonsense and well you know it. You cannot tie a single dna haplogroup to a language and culture. The U106 group state that southern Germany is the likely place of origin 4,600 ybp. P312's likely place of origin was Iberia. That goes against all that you have written because Germany was a Celtic region.

                    Irish,Scottish and Welsh people speak English. Does that mean that they are all ethnically English and they all belong in a single haplogroup?

                    Z2103 was found in eastern Europe not U106 nor P312.
                    Believe what you want. I just hope that less knowledgeable FTDNA customers won't be taken in by your nonsense.

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                    • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      That is nonsense and well you know it. You cannot tie a single dna haplogroup to a language and culture. The U106 group state that southern Germany is the likely place of origin 4,600 ybp. P312's likely place of origin was Iberia. That goes against all that you have written because Germany was a Celtic region.

                      Irish,Scottish and Welsh people speak English. Does that mean that they are all ethnically English and they all belong in a single haplogroup?

                      Z2103 was found in eastern Europe not U106 nor P312.
                      Why ?

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                      • Originally posted by Subwoofer View Post
                        Why ?
                        I don't know why R1b P312 originated in Iberia but it looks like it with the 94%.

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                        • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                          I don't know why R1b P312 originated in Iberia but it looks like it with the 94%.
                          maybe you could try and get out of the habit of posting bogus information, or more thoroughly research your 'sources'.

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                          • Originally posted by Subwoofer View Post
                            maybe you could try and get out of the habit of posting bogus information, or more thoroughly research your 'sources'.
                            Is P312 not 94% of R1b in Iberia? U106 is only 6% of the R1b there.

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                            • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                              Is P312 not 94% of R1b in Iberia? U106 is only 6% of the R1b there.
                              From Busby and Myres P312 x L21 & U152 ranges from 29 to 52% across Spain, presumably a fairly large proportion of these are various flavors of DF27, P312 all is 40 to 64%

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                              • Originally posted by Subwoofer View Post
                                From Busby and Myres P312 x L21 & U152 ranges from 29 to 52% across Spain, presumably a fairly large proportion of these are various flavors of DF27, P312 all is 40 to 64%
                                If someone says that 6% of all R1b in Iberia are U106 then what are the other 94%? Most of the R1b in Iberia today belong to M269 and must belong to the brother subgroup P312.
                                I did not say that R1b P312 is 94% of the male population in Iberia.

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