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  • #16
    Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
    If your clan name is mentioned routinely then what is it? Also pedigrees are largely meaningless because they can't tell you if a wife was unfaithful to her husband and so can't prove that a child is actually descended from the mother's husband. DNA, on the other hand, shows a biological link. Why is it "junk DNA" for you to be 0.1% African? Humans started out in Africa so it should not be too surprising that many Europeans still carry some African DNA. You said that there were at least 6 invasions of Ireland. The Celts, Vikings, Normans and British were 4 invasions so who were the other two?
    Why can't you just accept that you are an Irish guy with some English ancestry?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
      Why can't you just accept that you are an Irish guy with some English ancestry?
      Because there is no genetic evidence that I have English ancestry. My Y-haplogroup is R-Z3000 which is most common in County Monaghan and surrounding areas of Ireland.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
        Because there is no genetic evidence that I have English ancestry. My Y-haplogroup is R-Z3000 which is most common in County Monaghan and surrounding areas of Ireland.
        Pidgeon and Smothers are not Irish surnames. Can you show us your K15 results?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
          Because there is no genetic evidence that I have English ancestry. My Y-haplogroup is R-Z3000 which is most common in County Monaghan and surrounding areas of Ireland.
          Some Irish historians say that the Clan Colla came from the British Trinovantes in 300AD so any ydna group that has links to Ireland before that time would be more Irish.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by 1798 View Post
            Pidgeon and Smothers are not Irish surnames. Can you show us your K15 results?
            Who are Pidgeon and Smothers?


            Kit Num: F415715
            Threshold of components set to 1.000
            Threshold of method set to 0.25%
            Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.

            Gedmatch.Com
            Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
            This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
            Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
            Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
            Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

            Admix Results (sorted):

            # Population Percent
            1 North_Sea 33.06
            2 Atlantic 30.70
            3 Baltic 12.49
            4 Eastern_Euro 10.43
            5 West_Med 7.32
            6 West_Asian 4.72


            Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
            15 components mode.

            --------------------------------

            Least-squares method.

            Using 1 population approximation:
            1 North_German @ 4.475718
            2 Irish @ 4.761482
            3 Southeast_English @ 5.328879
            4 Danish @ 5.453609
            5 West_Scottish @ 5.515063
            6 North_Dutch @ 6.316955
            7 Southwest_English @ 6.429143
            8 Orcadian @ 8.261535
            9 South_Dutch @ 8.304565
            10 Norwegian @ 10.330671
            11 Swedish @ 11.206722
            12 West_Norwegian @ 11.764356
            13 West_German @ 12.053037
            14 North_Swedish @ 13.030462
            15 East_German @ 13.401763
            16 French @ 14.157553
            17 Southwest_Finnish @ 16.091887
            18 Austrian @ 17.657801
            19 Hungarian @ 19.498487
            20 Finnish @ 20.329037

            Using 2 populations approximation:
            1 50% Irish +50% North_German @ 3.512303


            Using 3 populations approximation:
            1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% North_German @ 3.512303


            Using 4 populations approximation:
            1 East_German + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.442617
            2 East_German + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.465837
            3 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 3.512303
            4 East_German + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.541175
            5 Irish + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.617957
            6 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southeast_English @ 3.618968
            7 Austrian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.641629
            8 Austrian + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.644076
            9 East_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.644983
            10 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.650259
            11 Austrian + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.680385
            12 East_German + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 3.712899
            13 North_German + North_German + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.715837
            14 North_German + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.721386
            15 East_German + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.737662
            16 Irish + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 3.741007
            17 North_German + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.754737
            18 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.759870
            19 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.767809
            20 North_German + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.771665

            Done.

            Elapsed time 2.8769 seconds.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by 1798 View Post
              Some Irish historians say that the Clan Colla came from the British Trinovantes in 300AD so any ydna group that has links to Ireland before that time would be more Irish.
              But they were still Celtic. Are you saying that U106 has links to Ireland from before 300AD?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
                But they were still Celtic. Are you saying that U106 has links to Ireland from before 300AD?
                There is no doubt in my mind that there were u106, R1a,I2, I1,E,G and C male lines in Ireland before 300AD.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                  There is no doubt in my mind that there were u106, R1a,I2, I1,E,G and C male lines in Ireland before 300AD.
                  But what evidence is there for their presence in Ireland before 300AD? Just because you want to believe something to be true does not make it so.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
                    But what evidence is there for their presence in Ireland before 300AD? Just because you want to believe something to be true does not make it so.
                    It is so simple. The Celts arrived around 500BC and you and others have stated on numerous occasions that L21 is the Celtic haplogroup, but Ireland has been inhabited for at least 10,000 years and there is tons of evidence showing this. There were thousands of Megalithic tombs built between 4000BC and 2000BC. We know that 8000 ybp Lochsbour belonged to haplogroup I and "I" is the oldest haplogroup in western Europe at present. We know from ancient dna tests that G and C were also present.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      It is so simple. The Celts arrived around 500BC and you and others have stated on numerous occasions that L21 is the Celtic haplogroup, but Ireland has been inhabited for at least 10,000 years and there is tons of evidence showing this. There were thousands of Megalithic tombs built between 4000BC and 2000BC. We know that 8000 ybp Lochsbour belonged to haplogroup I and "I" is the oldest haplogroup in western Europe at present. We know from ancient dna tests that G and C were also present.
                      But what evidence is there that U106 or any of those other Y-haplogroups were in Ireland during that time?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
                        But what evidence is there that U106 or any of those other Y-haplogroups were in Ireland during that time?
                        Which Y haplogroups do you think were in Ireland during the Mesolithic, Neolithic and early BA?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kevinduffy View Post
                          Who are Pidgeon and Smothers?


                          Kit Num: F415715
                          Threshold of components set to 1.000
                          Threshold of method set to 0.25%
                          Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.

                          Gedmatch.Com
                          Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
                          This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
                          Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
                          Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
                          Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

                          Admix Results (sorted):

                          # Population Percent
                          1 North_Sea 33.06
                          2 Atlantic 30.70
                          3 Baltic 12.49
                          4 Eastern_Euro 10.43
                          5 West_Med 7.32
                          6 West_Asian 4.72


                          Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
                          15 components mode.

                          --------------------------------

                          Least-squares method.

                          Using 1 population approximation:
                          1 North_German @ 4.475718
                          2 Irish @ 4.761482
                          3 Southeast_English @ 5.328879
                          4 Danish @ 5.453609
                          5 West_Scottish @ 5.515063
                          6 North_Dutch @ 6.316955
                          7 Southwest_English @ 6.429143
                          8 Orcadian @ 8.261535
                          9 South_Dutch @ 8.304565
                          10 Norwegian @ 10.330671
                          11 Swedish @ 11.206722
                          12 West_Norwegian @ 11.764356
                          13 West_German @ 12.053037
                          14 North_Swedish @ 13.030462
                          15 East_German @ 13.401763
                          16 French @ 14.157553
                          17 Southwest_Finnish @ 16.091887
                          18 Austrian @ 17.657801
                          19 Hungarian @ 19.498487
                          20 Finnish @ 20.329037

                          Using 2 populations approximation:
                          1 50% Irish +50% North_German @ 3.512303


                          Using 3 populations approximation:
                          1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% North_German @ 3.512303


                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                          1 East_German + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.442617
                          2 East_German + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.465837
                          3 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 3.512303
                          4 East_German + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.541175
                          5 Irish + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.617957
                          6 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southeast_English @ 3.618968
                          7 Austrian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.641629
                          8 Austrian + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.644076
                          9 East_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.644983
                          10 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.650259
                          11 Austrian + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.680385
                          12 East_German + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 3.712899
                          13 North_German + North_German + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.715837
                          14 North_German + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.721386
                          15 East_German + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.737662
                          16 Irish + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 3.741007
                          17 North_German + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.754737
                          18 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.759870
                          19 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.767809
                          20 North_German + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.771665

                          Done.

                          Elapsed time 2.8769 seconds.
                          Here are my Dodecad V3 results.

                          # Population Percent
                          1 West_European 55.32
                          2 Mediterranean 23.38
                          3 East_European 12.06
                          4 West_Asian 7.29
                          5 South_Asian 1.45

                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                          1 Argyll + Argyll + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.146069 This is my best fit Isles population.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                            Which Y haplogroups do you think were in Ireland during the Mesolithic, Neolithic and early BA?
                            I don't know and neither do you because there is no evidence of which Y-haplogroups were in Ireland during that time.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                              Here are my Dodecad V3 results.

                              # Population Percent
                              1 West_European 55.32
                              2 Mediterranean 23.38
                              3 East_European 12.06
                              4 West_Asian 7.29
                              5 South_Asian 1.45

                              Using 4 populations approximation:
                              1 Argyll + Argyll + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.146069 This is my best fit Isles population.
                              Where are your K15 results?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                                Here are my Dodecad V3 results.

                                # Population Percent
                                1 West_European 55.32
                                2 Mediterranean 23.38
                                3 East_European 12.06
                                4 West_Asian 7.29
                                5 South_Asian 1.45

                                Using 4 populations approximation:
                                1 Argyll + Argyll + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.146069 This is my best fit Isles population.
                                Kit Num: F415715
                                Threshold of components set to 1.000
                                Threshold of method set to 0.25%
                                Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.

                                Gedmatch.Com
                                Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
                                This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
                                Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
                                Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
                                Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

                                The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

                                Admix Results (sorted):

                                # Population Percent
                                1 West_European 56.16
                                2 Mediterranean 23.48
                                3 East_European 10.31
                                4 West_Asian 7.28
                                5 Southwest_Asian 1.57
                                6 South_Asian 1.10


                                Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
                                12 components mode.

                                --------------------------------

                                Least-squares method.

                                Using 1 population approximation:
                                1 Orkney @ 1.882519
                                2 Argyll @ 2.118993
                                3 Orcadian @ 2.208597
                                4 N._European @ 2.350782
                                5 CEU @ 3.449279
                                6 Mixed_Germanic @ 6.788626
                                7 German @ 7.659765
                                8 Dutch @ 7.840814
                                9 Kent @ 10.154426
                                10 British_Isles @ 11.825100
                                11 British @ 12.133173
                                12 Cornwall @ 12.895269
                                13 French @ 12.909986
                                14 French @ 13.392302
                                15 Swedish @ 14.561364
                                16 Irish @ 14.940061
                                17 Norwegian @ 15.327881
                                18 Slovenian @ 20.437874
                                19 Hungarians @ 25.129980
                                20 French_Basque @ 25.286068

                                Using 2 populations approximation:
                                1 50% Orkney +50% N._European @ 1.164928


                                Using 3 populations approximation:
                                1 50% British_Isles +25% CEU +25% Slovenian @ 0.801396


                                Using 4 populations approximation:
                                1 CEU + Cornwall + Hungarians + Irish @ 0.688043
                                2 British + CEU + Hungarians + Irish @ 0.715238
                                3 British + CEU + German + N._European @ 0.715259
                                4 CEU + German + Kent + N._European @ 0.726045
                                5 Cornwall + French + Swedish + Slovenian @ 0.746009
                                6 British + Hungarians + Irish + N._European @ 0.748190
                                7 Dutch + German + Orkney + N._European @ 0.770880
                                8 British + French + Swedish + Slovenian @ 0.773059
                                9 Dutch + German + Orcadian + N._European @ 0.781475
                                10 CEU + Cornwall + German + N._European @ 0.784438
                                11 Cornwall + Hungarians + Irish + N._European @ 0.797261
                                12 British + Cornwall + Hungarians + N._European @ 0.800269
                                13 British_Isles + British_Isles + CEU + Slovenian @ 0.801396
                                14 British_Isles + CEU + German + N._European @ 0.801754
                                15 CEU + Dutch + Irish + Slovenian @ 0.808634
                                16 British + Dutch + Orkney + Slovenian @ 0.813743
                                17 British_Isles + French + Swedish + Slovenian @ 0.827910
                                18 British_Isles + Dutch + Orkney + Slovenian @ 0.831743
                                19 British_Isles + Cornwall + Hungarians + N._European @ 0.838268
                                20 Cornwall + Cornwall + Hungarians + N._European @ 0.842332

                                Done.

                                Elapsed time 1.0292 seconds.

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