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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jomid59 View Post
    Is there an admix group for distinguishing American farmers and American wranglers?

    "replace the farming population"

    Why do I have almost no herder in me but lots of farmer, if farmers were replaced by herders?
    Well, this is the Recreation Room, so if you want to take a light-hearted (some would say silly) look at the categories in the admixture calculator, this would be the place to do it. Just sayin'.

    But the categories do make some sense based on ancient DNA results and what's known about whether the population in the categories were hunter-gatherers, farmers or herders/pastoralists at the time they lived. Based on archaeology and anthropology, we do know how humans in different societies in the past lived at various times. It's not just a guess. And population geneticists can tell us what their DNA profile was and match that with DNA found in modern humans.

    "Replaced" doesn't mean totally replaced, just that the newcomers became the dominant part of the population. That's what happens when people migrate. Think of Europeans "replacing" the Native American population of the Americas after 1492. It doesn't mean that there aren't any people in the Americas left with Native American ancestry, just that it's no longer the dominant ancestry of people who live there. Similarly, what the admixture calculator being discussed in this thread is telling us is that northern Europeans still harbor a good amount of DNA from ancient European hunter-gatherers, much more so than southern Europeans, but also that all Europeans have a large amount of DNA that is similar to ancient DNA found among Mediterranean farmers.

    These are not unproven scientific concepts. Studies over the last few years comparing ancient DNA to modern humans are telling us this. But then that's science and this is the Recreation Room, where I guess scientific concepts don't count for much - to some.

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    • #17
      Here are mine
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      Population
      Anatolian Farmer 4.81%
      Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.60%
      Middle Eastern Herder 2.16%
      East Asian Farmer -
      South American Hunter Gatherer 1.28%
      South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.70%
      North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
      East African Pastoralist -
      Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.14%
      Mediterranean Farmer 35.26%
      Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
      Bantu Farmer 0.06%
      ----
      169693 SNPs used in this evaluation
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      Image of break-down per Chromosome attached.
      Attached Files
      Last edited by LadyAlaise; 7th June 2015, 09:40 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by gatty View Post
        Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.82%
        Mediterranean Farmer 31.57%
        Anatolian Farmer 7.55%
        South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.31%
        South American Hunter Gatherer 1.07%
        Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.44%
        North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.24%
        You must be Irish.

        Here are the results for the 2000 ybp Hinxton Celt F999925
        Population
        Anatolian Farmer 10.10%
        Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.00%
        Middle Eastern Herder -
        East Asian Farmer -
        South American Hunter Gatherer -
        South Asian Hunter Gatherer 3.13%
        North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
        East African Pastoralist -
        Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
        Mediterranean Farmer 32.39%
        Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
        Bantu Farmer 0.36%
        Last edited by 1798; 8th June 2015, 02:21 AM.

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        • #19
          "Well, this is the Recreation Room, so if you want to take a light-hearted (some would say silly) look at the categories in the admixture calculator, this would be the place to do it. Just sayin'."


          That is what I'm doing

          just sayin

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          • #20
            Unetice
            Population * *
            Anatolian Farmer 13.11%
            Baltic Hunter Gatherer 61.55%
            Middle Eastern Herder - * *
            East Asian Farmer - * *
            South American Hunter Gatherer - * *
            South Asian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            East African Pastoralist - * *
            Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Mediterranean Farmer 25.34%
            Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Bantu Farmer - * *

            CWC M622615
            Population *
            Anatolian Farmer 24.32%
            Baltic Hunter Gatherer 67.63%
            Middle Eastern Herder - * *
            East Asian Farmer - * *
            South American Hunter Gatherer 0.50%
            South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.83%
            North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            East African Pastoralist - * *
            Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Mediterranean Farmer 5.72%
            Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Bantu Farmer - * *

            CWC M966366
            Population
            Anatolian Farmer 20.31%
            Baltic Hunter Gatherer 65.35%
            Middle Eastern Herder - * *
            East Asian Farmer - * *
            South American Hunter Gatherer 2.53%
            South Asian Hunter Gatherer 2.20%
            North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            East African Pastoralist - * *
            Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Mediterranean Farmer 9.61%
            Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Bantu Farmer - * *

            Yamnaya M951285
            population
            Anatolian Farmer 23.10%
            Baltic Hunter Gatherer 64.23%
            Middle Eastern Herder - * *
            East Asian Farmer - * *
            South American Hunter Gatherer 4.37%
            South Asian Hunter Gatherer 8.30%
            North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            East African Pastoralist - * *
            Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Mediterranean Farmer - * *
            Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Bantu Farmer - * *

            Yamnaya M020637
            Population * *
            Anatolian Farmer 25.81%
            Baltic Hunter Gatherer 63.62%
            Middle Eastern Herder - * *
            East Asian Farmer - * *
            South American Hunter Gatherer 3.72%
            South Asian Hunter Gatherer 6.84%
            North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            East African Pastoralist - * *
            Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Mediterranean Farmer - * *
            Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
            Bantu Farmer - * *

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            • #21
              Lochsbour F999918
              population * *
              Anatolian Farmer - * *
              Baltic Hunter Gatherer 93.02%
              Middle Eastern Herder - * *
              East Asian Farmer 0.21%
              South American Hunter Gatherer - * *
              South Asian Hunter Gatherer - * *
              North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
              East African Pastoralist - * *
              Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.80%
              Mediterranean Farmer 5.98%
              Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
              Bantu Farmer - * *


              La Brana F999915
              Population *
              Anatolian Farmer - * *
              Baltic Hunter Gatherer 86.85%
              Middle Eastern Herder - * *
              East Asian Farmer 0.69%
              South American Hunter Gatherer - * *
              South Asian Hunter Gatherer - * *
              North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
              East African Pastoralist - * *
              Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 1.22%
              Mediterranean Farmer 11.24%
              Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
              Bantu Farmer - * *

              That is strange, two HGs with Mediterranean Farmer dna.

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              • #22
                Population ~ Mine

                Anatolian Farmer 5.49%
                Baltic Hunter Gatherer 58.07%
                Middle Eastern Herder -
                East Asian Farmer -
                South American Hunter Gatherer 0.80%
                South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.76%
                North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
                East African Pastoralist 0.25%
                Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
                Mediterranean Farmer 34.64%
                Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
                Bantu Farmer -

                Population ~ Uncle

                Anatolian Farmer 18.56%
                Baltic Hunter Gatherer 34.78%
                Middle Eastern Herder 7.29%
                East Asian Farmer -
                South American Hunter Gatherer 0.23%
                South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.32%
                North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.17%
                East African Pastoralist 0.23%
                Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.20%
                Mediterranean Farmer 37.05%
                Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
                Bantu Farmer 1.17%

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                • #23
                  My result:

                  Population
                  Anatolian Farmer 8.90
                  Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.36
                  Middle Eastern Herder -
                  East Asian Farmer 2.16
                  South American Hunter Gatherer -
                  South Asian Hunter Gatherer 2.76
                  North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.31
                  East African Pastoralist -
                  Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 1.10
                  Mediterranean Farmer 30.41
                  Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
                  Bantu Farmer -

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                  • #24
                    My result:-

                    Middle Eastern Herder 66.30
                    Anatolian Farmer 15.82
                    Mediterranean Farmer 14.73
                    East African Pastoralist 3.00
                    Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.16

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                    • #25
                      Anatolian Farmer 7.38
                      Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.62
                      Middle Eastern Herder -
                      East Asian Farmer -
                      South American Hunter Gatherer 1.45
                      South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.56
                      North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
                      East African Pastoralist -
                      Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
                      Mediterranean Farmer 31.71
                      Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.28
                      Bantu Farmer -

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                      • #26
                        Or if you prefer

                        Anatolian Farmer 10.32
                        Baltic Hunter Gatherer 55.24
                        Middle Eastern Herder -
                        East Asian Farmer -
                        South American Hunter Gatherer 1.43
                        South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.44
                        North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.23
                        East African Pastoralist -
                        Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
                        Mediterranean Farmer 31.96
                        Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.39
                        Bantu Farmer -

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                        • #27
                          Or third data set and third times the charm

                          Anatolian Farmer 10.03
                          Baltic Hunter Gatherer 55.86
                          Middle Eastern Herder -
                          East Asian Farmer -
                          South American Hunter Gatherer 1.31
                          South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.85
                          North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
                          East African Pastoralist -
                          Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
                          Mediterranean Farmer 31.52
                          Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.39
                          Bantu Farmer -

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                          • #28
                            my mom:
                            Population
                            Anatolian Farmer 3.74
                            Baltic Hunter Gatherer 79.47
                            South American Hunter Gatherer 0.22
                            South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.39
                            North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.24
                            East African Pastoralist 1.13
                            Mediterranean Farmer 14.77

                            one of my mom's matches:
                            Population
                            Anatolian Farmer 2.08
                            Baltic Hunter Gatherer 83.85
                            South American Hunter Gatherer 0.63
                            South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.48
                            Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.38
                            Mediterranean Farmer 12.29
                            Bantu Farmer 0.25

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                              Lochsbour F999918
                              population * *
                              Anatolian Farmer - * *
                              Baltic Hunter Gatherer 93.02%
                              Middle Eastern Herder - * *
                              East Asian Farmer 0.21%
                              South American Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              South Asian Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              East African Pastoralist - * *
                              Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.80%
                              Mediterranean Farmer 5.98%
                              Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              Bantu Farmer - * *


                              La Brana F999915
                              Population *
                              Anatolian Farmer - * *
                              Baltic Hunter Gatherer 86.85%
                              Middle Eastern Herder - * *
                              East Asian Farmer 0.69%
                              South American Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              South Asian Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              East African Pastoralist - * *
                              Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 1.22%
                              Mediterranean Farmer 11.24%
                              Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
                              Bantu Farmer - * *

                              That is strange, two HGs with Mediterranean Farmer dna.
                              maybe their farmer samples are a little bit HG admixed
                              one of my mom's matches scores almost the same as LaBrana! and my mom is not far off. One of the Oracles for my mom actually puts in LaBrana for one her 4 population fits along with three modern populations!

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