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  • puntDNAL K10+Eurasia 4-Ancestors Oracle

    My results.
    # Population Percent
    1 Indo_European 84.34
    2 Western_Semitic 9.27
    3 Amerindian 2.71
    4 Dravidian 2.11
    5 Omotic 1.57
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French + French + French + Utahn_Whites @ 1.768504

  • #2
    New and interesting calculotor
    my result:

    Population
    Khoesan 0.58%
    Indo_European 14.83%
    Amerindian 0.05%
    Sino_Tibetan -
    Omotic 7.52%
    Nilo_Saharan 13.78%
    Ubangian_Congo 0.41%
    Niger_Congo 36.19%
    Western_Semitic 26.60%
    Dravidian -

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    • #3
      Population
      Khoesan -
      Indo_European 85.38%
      Amerindian 1.85%
      Sino_Tibetan 0.06%
      Omotic 0.22%
      Nilo_Saharan 0.15%
      Ubangian_Congo -
      Niger_Congo -
      Western_Semitic 9.82%
      Dravidian 2.51%

      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 North_European @ 2.309178
      2 Belarussian @ 4.428931
      3 Hungarian @ 4.815826
      4 French @ 6.288888
      5 Basque @ 6.479852
      6 Lithuanian @ 6.712799
      7 Northeast_European @ 11.001744
      8 Russian @ 13.209719
      9 Utahn_Whites @ 13.740136
      10 Tuscan @ 15.583974
      11 South_European @ 19.615479
      12 Sardinian @ 22.235109
      13 Georgian @ 30.961220
      14 Caucasian @ 32.552341
      15 Turkish @ 34.045807
      16 Iranian @ 40.612339
      17 Balochi @ 47.263081
      18 Palestinian @ 48.681644
      19 North_Indian @ 49.622879
      20 North_Moroccan @ 50.437286

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% Basque +50% Lithuanian @ 1.713155


      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% North_European +25% Tuscan +25% Utahn_Whites @ 1.096760


      Using 4 populations approximation:
      1 Lithuanian + North_European + Sardinian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.061220
      2 Lithuanian + North_European + South_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.092787
      3 North_European + North_European + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 1.096760
      4 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 1.162771
      5 Georgian + North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.198041
      6 Basque + Lithuanian + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 1.208812
      7 French + Lithuanian + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 1.292714
      8 Basque + North_European + North_European + North_European @ 1.306140
      9 French + French + North_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.316001
      10 Belarussian + North_European + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 1.353414
      11 Basque + French + North_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.402329
      12 North_European + North_European + South_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.478937
      13 French + French + Hungarian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.481556
      14 French + South_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.501491
      15 French + North_European + North_European + North_European @ 1.504902
      16 Basque + Belarussian + French + Utahn_Whites @ 1.516343
      17 Basque + Lithuanian + North_European + North_European @ 1.520202
      18 French + Sardinian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.529938
      19 Basque + French + French + Utahn_Whites @ 1.551028
      20 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.555110

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      • #4
        I am truly perplexed by this thread and who the original poster is.

        The original poster, 1798, is vehemently opposed to the idea that there's any correlation between DNA and languages. That's not such a controversial proposition and there have been several important population genetics studies recently published which report on such correlations. Or course, 1798 is very upset by these studies, especially one that makes a good case for a link between R1b and the origin of Indo-European languages.

        Yet he's started a thread about a new gedmatch admixture calculator which does exactly what he denies - analyzes DNA results and then gives a percentage for the language groups that correlate with the results!

        I wonder what his motivation for starting this thread is. Has he changed his mind and now believes that there is something to the correlation of DNA and language groups? Or is he just mindlessly trying all the calculators with no regard to how they actually relate to his or others' ancestry?

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        • #5
          So I tried this calculator to see what it gives me.

          Admix Results (sorted):

          # Population Percent
          1 Indo_European 66.40
          2 Western_Semitic 25.46
          3 Dravidian 4.90
          4 Nilo_Saharan 1.61
          5 Amerindian 1.05


          Finished reading population data. 73 populations found.
          10 components mode.

          --------------------------------

          Least-squares method.

          Using 1 population approximation:
          1 Sardinian @ 5.179973
          2 South_European @ 6.710464
          3 Georgian @ 8.559165
          4 Caucasian @ 9.806931
          5 Tuscan @ 9.845584
          6 Turkish @ 12.241156
          7 Iranian @ 18.151169
          8 French @ 18.778086
          9 Basque @ 19.197386
          10 Hungarian @ 21.179174
          11 Northeast_European @ 23.709425
          12 Russian @ 24.082066
          13 Palestinian @ 24.094612
          14 Belarussian @ 26.180470
          15 North_Moroccan @ 26.400095
          16 North_European @ 26.510344
          17 Tunisian @ 28.167694
          18 Lithuanian @ 29.960966
          19 Balochi @ 30.748907
          20 Mozabite @ 33.118149

          Using 2 populations approximation:
          1 50% Georgian +50% South_European @ 2.653572


          Using 3 populations approximation:
          1 50% Palestinian +25% Tuscan +25% Utahn_Whites @ 2.075490


          Using 4 populations approximation:
          1 Georgian + Saudi + South_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.500836
          2 Georgian + Saudi + Sardinian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.610865
          3 Georgian + Saudi + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 1.724825
          4 Basque + Georgian + North_European + Saudi @ 1.786317
          5 Basque + Georgian + Palestinian + Tuscan @ 1.973965
          6 Caucasian + Saudi + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 2.063080
          7 Georgian + North_European + Palestinian + Sardinian @ 2.063133
          8 Palestinian + Palestinian + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 2.075490
          9 Caucasian + Saudi + South_European + Utahn_Whites @ 2.104484
          10 Georgian + Hungarian + Palestinian + Tuscan @ 2.153438
          11 Georgian + French + North_European + Saudi @ 2.200047
          12 Basque + Georgian + Hungarian + Saudi @ 2.209640
          13 Basque + Georgian + North_Moroccan + Tuscan @ 2.225808
          14 Georgian + Egyptian + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 2.226867
          15 Lithuanian + Saudi + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.254656
          16 French + Saudi + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 2.267147
          17 Basque + Basque + Georgian + Saudi @ 2.271693
          18 Basque + Caucasian + North_European + Saudi @ 2.277433
          19 Georgian + Hungarian + Palestinian + South_European @ 2.293898
          20 Lithuanian + Saudi + Sardinian + South_European @ 2.294832


          Well, it at least got my general ancestry right at the one population estimate, although with not very good resolution. Sardinian is first, with 5.179973, and South European, with 6.710464, is second. Both numbers indicate a not very good probability though.

          For the 4 population estimates, the results are not very satisfying or realistic, given my known ancestry: the first given is Georgian + Saudi + South_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.500836. Unless this is talking about very deep ancestry, it's not even close to being a very plausible result for me.

          I just noticed that gedmatch includes this note for the calculator, perhaps written by the developer: "Results are only meaningful for persons who have mostly African ancestry with some Eurasian admixture." Basically, this is not meant to be used for those with no African ancestry. So any results it gives to those with European and little or no African ancestry will be unreliable and probably not accurate, as in my case.
          Last edited by MMaddi; 24 May 2015, 01:32 PM.

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          • #6
            puntDNAL K10+Eurasian Oracle

            Admix Results (sorted):

            # Population Percent
            1 Indo_European 84.47
            2 Western_Semitic 8.82
            3 Dravidian 3.72
            4 Amerindian 2.42


            Finished reading population data. 73 populations found.
            10 components mode.

            --------------------------------

            Least-squares method.

            Using 1 population approximation:
            1 North_European @ 2.814487
            2 Belarussian @ 3.685622
            3 Hungarian @ 5.381840
            4 Lithuanian @ 5.874786
            5 French @ 6.242451
            6 Basque @ 7.357381
            7 Northeast_European @ 9.683413
            8 Russian @ 11.999551
            9 Utahn_Whites @ 14.170027
            10 Tuscan @ 15.809031
            11 South_European @ 19.841009
            12 Sardinian @ 22.460316
            13 Georgian @ 30.530596
            14 Caucasian @ 32.146847
            15 Turkish @ 33.598507
            16 Iranian @ 40.006863
            17 Balochi @ 46.105122
            18 North_Indian @ 48.222752
            19 Palestinian @ 48.495682
            20 North_Moroccan @ 50.343334

            Using 2 populations approximation:
            1 50% French +50% Lithuanian @ 1.725254


            Using 3 populations approximation:
            1 50% Lithuanian +25% Sardinian +25% Utahn_Whites @ 1.629258


            Using 4 populations approximation:
            1 Iranian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.116567
            2 Georgian + North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.171378
            3 Georgian + Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.201264
            4 Caucasian + Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.317869
            5 Belarussian + Georgian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.365932
            6 Caucasian + North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.583418
            7 Basque + French + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.593249
            8 French + Lithuanian + North_European + North_European @ 1.619208
            9 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.629258
            10 French + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.677942
            11 French + French + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.725254
            12 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_European + Tuscan @ 1.740643
            13 Basque + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.772530
            14 Belarussian + Caucasian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 1.859944
            15 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + South_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.884604
            16 French + French + Lithuanian + North_European @ 1.891577
            17 Belarussian + French + Lithuanian + North_European @ 1.901893
            18 French + Lithuanian + Tuscan + Utahn_Whites @ 1.921735
            19 Basque + Basque + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.922024
            20 French + Hungarian + Lithuanian + North_European @ 1.932509

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            • #7
              These admixture calculators are fun, I am reluctant to take them seriously at this stage (might get close one day)...but Belarus is not even close....

              Anyway, puntDNAL K10+Eurasia generates the following results for my kit:

              # Population Percent
              1 Indo_European 84.93
              2 Western_Semitic 6.73
              3 Dravidian 3.51
              4 Sino_Tibetan 2.93
              5 Amerindian 1.34

              Using 1 population approximation:
              1 Belarussian @ 0.775307
              2 North_European @ 3.072026
              3 Lithuanian @ 4.423440
              4 Hungarian @ 6.649364
              5 French @ 8.212326
              6 Northeast_European @ 8.451662
              7 Basque @ 9.259535
              8 Russian @ 10.447889
              9 Utahn_Whites @ 13.134509
              10 Tuscan @ 17.695396
              11 South_European @ 21.698174
              12 Sardinian @ 24.341125
              13 Georgian @ 32.161476
              14 Caucasian @ 33.589520
              15 Turkish @ 34.736897
              16 Iranian @ 41.412739
              17 Balochi @ 46.904778
              18 North_Indian @ 48.457348
              19 Palestinian @ 50.215759
              20 North_Moroccan @ 52.024971

              Using 2 populations approximation:
              1 50% Belarussian +50% Belarussian @ 0.775307


              Using 3 populations approximation:
              1 50% Belarussian +25% Belarussian +25% Belarussian @ 0.775307


              Using 4 populations approximation:
              1 Belarussian + Belarussian + Belarussian + Belarussian @ 0.775307
              2 Belarussian + Belarussian + Belarussian + North_European @ 0.818869
              3 Belarussian + Belarussian + Hungarian + Lithuanian @ 1.141442
              4 Belarussian + Belarussian + Belarussian + Lithuanian @ 1.149304
              5 Basque + Lithuanian + Russian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.221832
              6 Belarussian + French + Northeast_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.241203
              7 Basque + Belarussian + Russian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.243030
              8 Belarussian + Belarussian + Lithuanian + North_European @ 1.250248
              9 Belarussian + French + Russian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.301571
              10 Belarussian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.357281
              11 Basque + Belarussian + Northeast_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.373204
              12 Lithuanian + North_European + North_European + Northeast_European @ 1.412326
              13 Belarussian + Hungarian + Northeast_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.413840
              14 Belarussian + Hungarian + Russian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.445803
              15 Belarussian + Belarussian + North_European + North_European @ 1.446556
              16 French + Lithuanian + Russian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.481946
              17 Lithuanian + North_European + North_European + Russian @ 1.482886
              18 French + North_European + Russian + Utahn_Whites @ 1.511335
              19 Basque + Lithuanian + Northeast_European + Utahn_Whites @ 1.629339
              20 Belarussian + Lithuanian + North_European + Northeast_European @ 1.650013

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              • #8
                The K15 and dodecad V3 are the best for me. We need someone to create a west European calculator.

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                • #9
                  Motala 12 7,500 ybp
                  # Population Percent
                  1 Indo_European 95.46
                  2 Amerindian 4.54

                  Using 1 population approximation:
                  1 Utahn_Whites @ 2.588857
                  2 Lithuanian @ 10.980042
                  3 North_European @ 12.862579
                  4 Belarussian @ 14.177192
                  5 Hungarian @ 18.374643
                  6 Northeast_European @ 20.326088
                  7 French @ 20.594271
                  8 Basque @ 20.633636
                  9 Russian @ 22.007721
                  10 Tuscan @ 30.023466
                  11 South_European @ 33.937862
                  12 Sardinian @ 36.551491
                  13 Georgian @ 45.229275
                  14 Caucasian @ 46.786278
                  15 Turkish @ 47.916416
                  16 Iranian @ 54.520828
                  17 Balochi @ 59.473267
                  18 North_Indian @ 60.162472
                  19 Palestinian @ 62.954056
                  20 Punjabi @ 64.119919

                  Using 2 populations approximation:
                  1 50% Utahn_Whites +50% Utahn_Whites @ 2.588857


                  Using 3 populations approximation:
                  1 50% Utahn_Whites +25% Utahn_Whites +25% Utahn_Whites @ 2.588857


                  Using 4 populations approximation:
                  1 Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 3.768630
                  2 North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 4.313569
                  3 Belarussian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 4.514183
                  4 Northeast_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 5.463090
                  5 Hungarian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 5.553356
                  6 Russian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 5.808041
                  7 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 5.971954
                  8 French + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 6.061203
                  9 Basque + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 6.259562
                  10 Lithuanian + North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 6.369928
                  11 Belarussian + Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 6.718479
                  12 North_European + North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 7.005288
                  13 Belarussian + North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 7.241044
                  14 Belarussian + Belarussian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 7.570876
                  15 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 7.615905
                  16 Lithuanian + Northeast_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 7.928711
                  17 Basque + Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 8.222757
                  18 French + Lithuanian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 8.225182
                  19 Lithuanian + Russian + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 8.266680
                  20 Hungarian + North_European + Utahn_Whites + Utahn_Whites @ 8.329771

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