The Basques

[MMaddi]

Out of interest what do you believe is driving this 'aching desire' to have Russian Steppes ancestry.

Do you perceive all these posters fretting and beating their breasts in frustration back and in the days when Spain was universally excepted as the R1b refugium ? and then of course the elation when a 'pitiful few' scientists dared suggest an alternative so at long last they could claim this deliciously exotic tundra as the home of their paternal ancestors ????

I've already posted in this thread earlier that I would much rather that my paternal line from Sicily originated in Greece and that I was somewhat dismayed in 2005 to learn that my haplogroup is R1b, not J2 or E1b1b. And then I later learned from further research over the years that my particular R1b subclade is mainly northern European.

I posted all this in response to 1798's ridiculous belief that I have some sort of fond connection to the Lombards. It's sort of the same thing you're posting about in regard to his claim that anyone who disagrees with him obviously is yearning to be Yamnaya. Wouldn't that be a great title for a book or movie - "Yearning to Be Yamnaya"! This will be the title of Ciaran's "expose" of the "agenda" of those who deny that the ancestors of modern European R1b were in western Europe before 5,000 years ago and that his Irish paternal line is descended from those ancient European R1b men.

It boggles the mind how some people will create their own elaborate bizzaro world to satisfy their wishful thinking, ignoring all the scientific evidence against it!

[Subwoofer]

I've already posted in this thread earlier that I would much rather that my paternal line from Sicily originated in Greece and that I was somewhat dismayed in 2005 to learn that my haplogroup is R1b, not J2 or E1b1b. And then I later learned from further research over the years that my particular R1b subclade is mainly northern European.

I posted all this in response to 1798's ridiculous belief that I have some sort of fond connection to the Lombards. It's sort of the same thing you're posting about in regard to his claim that anyone who disagrees with him obviously is yearning to be Yamnaya. Wouldn't that be a great title for a book or movie - "Yearning to Be Yamnaya"! This will be the title of Ciaran's "expose" of the "agenda" of those who deny that the ancestors of modern European R1b were in western Europe before 5,000 years ago and that his Irish paternal line is descended from those ancient European R1b men.

It boggles the mind how some people will create their own elaborate bizzaro world to satisfy their wishful thinking, ignoring all the scientific evidence against it!

I was a little disappointed at being something as pedestrian as R1b when I first became involved with DNA but quickly became very intrigued and now wouldn't trade my haplogroup for any other : )

My father in-law is from Somerset but has an unusual haplogroup for the Isles (E-M84) and is also equally fascinated with how his family ended up in Britain.

At the end of the day we are all trying to get that little glimpse into our past and the story is surly interesting enough by itself a doesn’t deserve to be force it into preconceived corners !!

[1798]

I've already posted in this thread earlier that I would much rather that my paternal line from Sicily originated in Greece and that I was somewhat dismayed in 2005 to learn that my haplogroup is R1b, not J2 or E1b1b. And then I later learned from further research over the years that my particular R1b subclade is mainly northern European.

I posted all this in response to 1798's ridiculous belief that I have some sort of fond connection to the Lombards. It's sort of the same thing you're posting about in regard to his claim that anyone who disagrees with him obviously is yearning to be Yamnaya. Wouldn't that be a great title for a book or movie - "Yearning to Be Yamnaya"! This will be the title of Ciaran's "expose" of the "agenda" of those who deny that the ancestors of modern European R1b were in western Europe before 5,000 years ago and that his Irish paternal line is descended from those ancient European R1b men.

It boggles the mind how some people will create their own elaborate bizzaro world to satisfy their wishful thinking, ignoring all the scientific evidence against it!

All the scientific evidence. We have no Mesolithic nor Neolithic dna from Ireland,Britain and France that I know of at present. R1b is said to have come through Hungary from the Steppe and not one R1b sample was found in all the Hungarian ancient dna tests.

[GST]

What I see is some people who don't want R1b in western Europe until 3000 years ago to fit in with their most recent ethnic identity. This is not about science but about ego's.

I think the more accurate estimate is less than 5000 years ago, or 3000 BC. And I'm as puzzled as everyone else as to how a finding that R1b originated in the Steppe could boost anyone's ego. The goal is to understand ancient human migrations, not trying to prove the ethnicity of someone's 200th-great-grandfather.

[1798]

I think the more accurate estimate is less than 5000 years ago, or 3000 BC. And I'm as puzzled as everyone else as to how a finding that R1b originated in the Steppe could boost anyone's ego. The goal is to understand ancient human migrations, not trying to prove the ethnicity of someone's 200th-great-grandfather.

Why are people getting upset at H and R being found in ancient remains in western Europe? There is nothing wrong with continuity.

[N21163]

Why are people getting upset at H and R being found in ancient remains in western Europe? There is nothing wrong with continuity.

You're misguided if you think that.