Ireland Before St. Patrick - Natl Geo

[MMaddi]

Who takes you seriously? What about the 7000 year old R1b in Spain? He is the first but he won't be the last.

Any time you want to compare how seriously you and I are taken by anybody who knows anything about DNA and genetic genealogy, I'll refer you and anyone who's interested to this whopper you posted earlier today - http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...2&postcount=22.

Who can take someone seriously who insists that a man's yDNA haplogroup is determined by the mother, as you did in that post!

[1798]

No reply necessary on my part. Your antics are well known here and on other genetic genealogy forums (where you're no longer allowed to post). Very few people take you seriously, but then I'm sure you've noticed that.

Who takes you seriously? What about the 7000 year old R1b in Spain? He is the first but he won't be the last.

[MMaddi]

What argument are you referring to?

When I wrote a post about R1b being linked to the Neolithic in western Europe some people got very upset. Why?

No reply necessary on my part. Your antics are well known here and on other genetic genealogy forums (where you're no longer allowed to post). Very few people take you seriously, but then I'm sure you've noticed that.

[1798]

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean that P312 is the only haplogroup found among Celts!

If someone believes that every single Celt man is P312, which is patently false, I think they would write that. The statement merely means that P312 is the predominant subclade found among modern Celtic populations, which is certainly true.

Either you're being too literal in interpreting what others write or you're deliberately misrepresenting what others write (straw man argument) to suit your argument. Now that you've been set straight about the meaning of "Celtic haplogroup," I trust you won't claim that some people believe it's the only haplogroup found among Celtic men. Right?

What argument are you referring to?

When I wrote a post about R1b being linked to the Neolithic in western Europe some people got very upset. Why?

[MMaddi]

Are you stating that no poster ever referred to P312 as the Celtic subhaplogroup?

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean that P312 is the only haplogroup found among Celts!

If someone believes that every single Celt man is P312, which is patently false, I think they would write that. The statement merely means that P312 is the predominant subclade found among modern Celtic populations, which is certainly true.

Either you're being too literal in interpreting what others write or you're deliberately misrepresenting what others write (straw man argument) to suit your argument. Now that you've been set straight about the meaning of "Celtic haplogroup," I trust you won't claim that some people believe it's the only haplogroup found among Celtic men. Right?

[1798]

You're right. None of the regular posters in genetic genealogy forums make such a claim. That's just his straw man argument to make those he disagrees with sound unreasonable.

Are you stating that no poster ever referred to P312 as the Celtic subhaplogroup?

[MMaddi]

You're still thinking the same thing from a few years ago?

I never said the Celts belonged to a single subclade, in fact i dont recall any who did actually state such a thing.

You're right. None of the regular posters in genetic genealogy forums make such a claim. That's just his straw man argument to make those he disagrees with sound unreasonable.

[N21163]

That is a big change from a few years back. Some posters think that the Celts all belong to a single subclade.

You're still thinking the same thing from a few years ago?

I never said the Celts belonged to a single subclade, in fact i dont recall any who did actually state such a thing.

[1798]

Different Celtic groups will have different Y-chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups and subclades within them.

However, this study is not proof of that as it focuses on autosomal DNA

That is a big change from a few years back. Some posters think that the Celts all belong to a single subclade.

[N21163]

I think that this is proof that the Celts belonged to multiple haplogroups.

Different Celtic groups will have different Y-chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups and subclades within them.

However, this study is not proof of that as it focuses on autosomal DNA

[1798]

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31905764

"According to the data, those of Celtic ancestry in Scotland and Cornwall are more similar to the English than they are to other Celtic groups.

The study also describes distinct genetic differences across the UK, which reflect regional identities.

And it shows that the invading Anglo Saxons did not wipe out the Britons of 1,500 years ago, but mixed with them."

I think that this is proof that the Celts belonged to multiple haplogroups.

[schnook]

I just wonder if they tested another 6000 people would the results be the same.


Why are they not testing more ancient remains in the Isles?!!! Do they not want to know about the past? They are way behind the rest of the world.

They must just care about the unique genetics that make up today's British people, ignoring the past and ignoring the genetics of other people on the British Isles.

[1798]

Hopefully. In my opinion I think we should be part of the POBI project, we're not British but it IS called People of the British ISLES. Especially since so much Irish immigration has occurred, surely some of our genetic makeup is present in UK populations too?

I just wonder if they tested another 6000 people would the results be the same.


Why are they not testing more ancient remains in the Isles?!!! Do they not want to know about the past? They are way behind the rest of the world.

[schnook]

I hope that the Irish project does not take as long as the POBI project.

Hopefully. In my opinion I think we should be part of the POBI project, we're not British but it IS called People of the British ISLES. Especially since so much Irish immigration has occurred, surely some of our genetic makeup is present in UK populations too?

[1798]

It make sense considering how close the north of England is to Scotland.

I hope that the Irish project does not take as long as the POBI project.