Karelia_HG 5500-5000 BCE C1g R1a1

[1798]

K15
Population
North_Sea 24.27%
Atlantic 0.40%
Baltic 16.96%
Eastern_Euro 43.13%
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 15.25%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 18.182165
2 MA-1+Mari+Motala12+Motala12 @ 18.581502
3 Erzya+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 18.998078
4 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Motala12 @ 19.05268
5 Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 19.625204
6 Chuvash+Erzya+MA-1+Motala12 @ 19.713645
7 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Saami_Finland @ 19.870249
8 MA-1+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.032809
9 Erzya+Erzya+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.099876
10 Chuvash+Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.157684
11 Chuvash+Estonian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.238874
12 East_Finnish+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.252028
13 Erzya+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.268367
14 Chuvash+East_Finnish+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.487915
15 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Southwest_Russian @ 20.501007
16 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Southwest_Russian @ 20.524959
17 Chuvash+Lithuanian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.525725
18 Erzya+Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.570076
19 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.596127
20 Estonian+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.597034
21 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Tatar @ 20.597245
22 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.63554
23 Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.684419
24 Chuvash+Estonian_Polish+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.720606
25 Chuvash+Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.726319
26 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Ukrainian @ 20.746503
27 Estonian+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.77407
28 Chuvash+Mayan+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.781543
29 Belorussian+Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.788991
30 Mari+Mayan+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.800008
31 East_Finnish+Erzya+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.806427
32 Lithuanian+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.83542
33 Estonian_Polish+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.835668
34 Chuvash+Finnish+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.879375


Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions
Population
ANE 37.52%
ASE 3.63%
WHG-UHG 55.15%
East_Eurasian 3.70%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF -

[1798]

K15
Population
North_Sea 24.27%
Atlantic 0.40%
Baltic 16.96%
Eastern_Euro 43.13%
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 15.25%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 18.182165
2 MA-1+Mari+Motala12+Motala12 @ 18.581502
3 Erzya+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 18.998078
4 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Motala12 @ 19.05268
5 Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 19.625204
6 Chuvash+Erzya+MA-1+Motala12 @ 19.713645
7 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Saami_Finland @ 19.870249
8 MA-1+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.032809
9 Erzya+Erzya+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.099876
10 Chuvash+Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.157684
11 Chuvash+Estonian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.238874
12 East_Finnish+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.252028
13 Erzya+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.268367
14 Chuvash+East_Finnish+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.487915
15 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Southwest_Russian @ 20.501007
16 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Southwest_Russian @ 20.524959
17 Chuvash+Lithuanian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.525725
18 Erzya+Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.570076
19 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.596127
20 Estonian+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.597034
21 MA-1+Motala12+Motala12+Tatar @ 20.597245
22 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.63554
23 Kargopol_Russian+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.684419
24 Chuvash+Estonian_Polish+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.720606
25 Chuvash+Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.726319
26 Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12+Ukrainian @ 20.746503
27 Estonian+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.77407
28 Chuvash+Mayan+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.781543
29 Belorussian+Chuvash+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.788991
30 Mari+Mayan+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.800008
31 East_Finnish+Erzya+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.806427
32 Lithuanian+MA-1+Mari+Motala12 @ 20.83542
33 Estonian_Polish+MA-1+Motala12+Motala12 @ 20.835668
34 Chuvash+Finnish+MA-1+Motala12 @ 20.879375


Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions
Population
ANE 37.52%
ASE 3.63%
WHG-UHG 55.15%
East_Eurasian 3.70%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF -

How did someone in eastern Europe get so much WHG? There must have been an ancient west to east migration.

[MikeP]

Or maybe WHG was never constrained to the west ...

[1798]

Or maybe WHG was never constrained to the west ...

It does not matter. The 64% WHG that is showing in Irish people today did not occur 4,500 ybp.

[1798]

Unetice, German F 10047 2,022-1937 BC.

ANE and K15 results.

Unetice
Population *
ANE 16.25%
ASE - * *
WHG-UHG 71.33%
East_Eurasian - * *
West_African 0.30%
East_African - * *
ENF 12.11%


Population *
North_Sea 34.99%
Atlantic 36.93%
Baltic 11.91%
Eastern_Euro 9.33%
West_Med 4.19%
West_Asian 2.65%
East_Med - * *
Red_Sea - * *
South_Asian - * *
Southeast_Asian - * *
Siberian - * *
Amerindian - * *
Oceanian - * *
Northeast_African - * *
Sub-Saharan

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 7.359780
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 7.406608
3 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.473263
4 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.559216
5 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.663819
6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 7.746123
7 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 7.790779
8 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.854320
9 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 7.858067
10 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 7.894940
11 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 7.916199
12 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 7.923547
13 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.936294
14 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.953793
15 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 8.003642
16 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.005489
17 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.008284
18 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 8.088053
19 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.108608
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 8.131166

[1798]

Unetice, German F 10047 2,022-1937 BC.

ANE and K15 results.

Unetice
Population *
ANE 16.25%
ASE - * *
WHG-UHG 71.33%
East_Eurasian - * *
West_African 0.30%
East_African - * *
ENF 12.11%


Population *
North_Sea 34.99%
Atlantic 36.93%
Baltic 11.91%
Eastern_Euro 9.33%
West_Med 4.19%
West_Asian 2.65%
East_Med - * *
Red_Sea - * *
South_Asian - * *
Southeast_Asian - * *
Siberian - * *
Amerindian - * *
Oceanian - * *
Northeast_African - * *
Sub-Saharan

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 7.359780
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 7.406608
3 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.473263
4 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.559216
5 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.663819
6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 7.746123
7 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 7.790779
8 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.854320
9 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 7.858067
10 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 7.894940
11 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 7.916199
12 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 7.923547
13 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.936294
14 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.953793
15 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 8.003642
16 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.005489
17 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.008284
18 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 8.088053
19 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.108608
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 8.131166

These results show that there was no input from the Steppe 4,200 ybp in the region where this woman died.

[1798]

Corded Ware

CWC 2,566-2,477 BC 10103
Corded Ware 10103
Population * *
ANE 24.68%
ASE 2.46%
WHG-UHG 59.61%
East_Eurasian - * *
West_African 0.62%
East_African 0.08%
ENF 12.55%


Population * *
North_Sea 34.41%
Atlantic 20.82%
Baltic 8.70%
Eastern_Euro 20.14%
West_Med - * *
West_Asian 13.18%
East_Med - * *
Red_Sea - * *
South_Asian 0.47%
Southeast_Asian - * *
Siberian - * *
Amerindian 2.28%
Oceanian - * *
Northeast_African - * *
Sub-Saharan - * *

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.606257
2 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 9.743698
3 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 9.774204
4 Danish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.811347
5 North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.827334
6 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.857185
7 Danish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.905888
8 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.909755
9 Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.913658
10 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.940525
11 East_Finnish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.982730
12 East_Finnish + Orcadian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.033775
13 North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 10.040244
14 Irish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 10.047202
15 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 10.060412
16 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 10.062361
17 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 10.076385
18 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.130554
19 North_Swedish + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.142609
20 North_Swedish + Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.149682

This woman's ancestors were a mixture of northern European and eastern European. Her MTDNA W6a is probably from western Asia. She could be 50/50.

[1798]

"It seems apparent that the Loschbour, Luxembourg Hunter-Gatherer was related to the La Braña Hunter-Gatherers. However, reindeer went extinct in the Northern Europe plain 11,250 years ago and in Scandanavia 10,300 years ago (Link). Therefore, the Loschbour Man was not a reindeer hunter. However, based on the evidence of reindeer remains during the Upper Paleolithic in the Paris Basin, the British Isles and Germany, it is very likely that many of Loschbour Man's ancestors were reindeer hunters."

The Paris Basin could be the origin place of L11. That is my view.

[1798]

Yamnaya

Yamnaya 10429
Eurogenes K15
North_Sea 29.55
Atlantic 1.62
Baltic 12.2
Eastern_Euro 26.14
West_Med 0
West_Asian 17.96
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 7.37
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 5.16
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0


This ancient yamnaya sample shows that there was two way traffic between western Europe and the Steppe. The North Sea autosomal dna is specific to the North Sea and I believe that it is ancient dna from Doggerland.

[N21163]

Yamnaya 10429
Eurogenes K15
North_Sea 29.55
Atlantic 1.62
Baltic 12.2
Eastern_Euro 26.14
West_Med 0
West_Asian 17.96
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 7.37
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 5.16
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0


This ancient yamnaya sample shows that there was two way traffic between western Europe and the Steppe. The North Sea autosomal dna is specific to the North Sea and I believe that it is ancient dna from Doggerland.

I'm curious, why Doggerland specifically?

o these algorithms say that the "North Sea" component represents Doggerland outright?

Are these admixture calculators entirely accurate with their representation of these components?

Is there a table that states the percentages commonly found in certain ethnicities?

*Please note this is an attempt to engage you in discussion and I ask that you please provide links for any material you may reference.

[1798]

I'm curious, why Doggerland specifically?

o these algorithms say that the "North Sea" component represents Doggerland outright?

Are these admixture calculators entirely accurate with their representation of these components?

Is there a table that states the percentages commonly found in certain ethnicities?

*Please note this is an attempt to engage you in discussion and I ask that you please provide links for any material you may reference.

I wrote that I believe that the north sea component is the autosomal dna related to doggerland, because the HG Motala 12 had this dna type.

I don't know of a table that states the percentages commonly found in certain ethnicities?

[1798]

Here is the k15 results of one of the ancient Yamnaya, gedmatch ID M951285 (10231)

Population * *
ANE 35.26%
ASE 4.10%
WHG-UHG 53.76%
East_Eurasian - * *
West_African 0.31%
East_African - * *
ENF 6.57%


Population * *
North_Sea 28.14%
Atlantic 4.42%
Baltic 11.27%
Eastern_Euro 33.52%
West_Med - * *
West_Asian 14.93%
East_Med - * *
Red_Sea - * *
South_Asian 4.06%
Southeast_Asian - * *
Siberian - * *
Amerindian 3.66%
Oceanian - * *
Northeast_African - * *
Sub-Saharan - * *

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Chuvash + Erzya + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 16.525211
2 Chuvash + Chuvash + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 16.584866
3 Chuvash + Erzya + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 16.619112
4 Chuvash + Chuvash + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 16.664843
5 Chuvash + Chuvash + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 16.729088
6 Chuvash + Erzya + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 16.742262
7 Chuvash + Chuvash + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 16.760130
8 Erzya + Mari + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 16.828409
9 Erzya + Mari + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 16.857485
10 Chuvash + Kargopol_Russian + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 16.873384
11 Chuvash + Erzya + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 16.883747
12 Erzya + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 16.980738
13 Chuvash + East_Finnish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 16.991219
14 Erzya + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 17.099211
15 Chuvash + Kargopol_Russian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 17.109724
16 Kargopol_Russian + Mari + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 17.180006
17 Chuvash + Kargopol_Russian + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 17.189167
18 Erzya + MA-1 + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 17.222752
19 Chuvash + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 17.255564
20 Erzya + MA-1 + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 17.266594

[Armando]

The spreadsheet for K15 averages of world populations and some ancient specimens can be found at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1872836177

The Haak et al. specimens are in different spreadsheets at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=917906623 and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1351765170

[Darren]

Does this need its own thread? It looks like the data provided in the preceding thread, I will go ahead and combine them for now.

-Darren
Family Tree DNA

[1798]

Population Irish average
North_Sea 36.38%
Atlantic 30.66%
Baltic 11.15%
Eastern_Euro 8.12%
West_Med 6.98%
West_Asian 6.98%
East_Med 1.24%
Red_Sea 0.67%
South_Asian 55.00%
Southeast_Asian - * *
Siberian 0.05%
Amerindian 0.60%
Oceanian 0.01%
Northeast_African 0.07%
Sub-Saharan 0.04%