Eurogenes K13 and K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

[James78]

That's not how it works. You may wish to refer to this previous post for clarification: http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...&postcount=229

That's what I thought but was a tad confused.

If one looks at the oracle singular - not the oracle - 4 - for some of my results it is a bit mind boggling.

I mean does


Primary - Secondary - Distance
97% German - 2.4% Kalash - @ 0.96 mean that I am closely related to that % of Germans & Kalash or is it merely taking a stab in the dark.

[1798]

That's what I thought but was a tad confused.

If one looks at the oracle singular - not the oracle - 4 - for some of my results it is a bit mind boggling.

I mean does


Primary - Secondary - Distance
97% German - 2.4% Kalash - @ 0.96 mean that I am closely related to that % of Germans & Kalash or is it merely taking a stab in the dark.

Are you 97% German?

[James78]

Are you 97% German?

No. My family is immediately British/UK (my father's mother's family clan has more than 1,000 years of history in Ireland). My distant relatives are European - dutch, danish, netherlands so that general area.

[1798]

No. My family is immediately British/UK (my father's mother's family clan has more than 1,000 years of history in Ireland). My distant relatives are European - dutch, danish, netherlands so that general area.

My Wife's K15 can't be right. I think that her Orcadian and west Scottish result is wrong. I think that she is getting that result because of her high percentage markers from the North Sea. The spread sheet for the populations has Orcadian at 39% NS and she has 37% NS.I have 34% NS so I am drawn towards the Irish average.

[1798]

My dodecad V3 result
# Population Percent
1 West_European 55.32
2 Mediterranean 23.38
3 East_European 12.06
4 West_Asian 7.29
5 South_Asian 1.45
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Argyll + Argyll + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.146069

My Wife's results
# Population Percent
1 West_European 56.25
2 Mediterranean 24.37
3 East_European 10.80
4 West_Asian 6.95
5 South_Asian 1.14

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orkney + Orkney + Orkney + Argyll @ 0.678903

[1798]

My dodecad V3 result
# Population Percent
1 West_European 55.32
2 Mediterranean 23.38
3 East_European 12.06
4 West_Asian 7.29
5 South_Asian 1.45
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Argyll + Argyll + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.146069

My Wife's results
# Population Percent
1 West_European 56.25
2 Mediterranean 24.37
3 East_European 10.80
4 West_Asian 6.95
5 South_Asian 1.14

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orkney + Orkney + Orkney + Argyll @ 0.678903

Hinxton 4
# Population Percent
1 West_European 53.13
2 Mediterranean 25.96
3 East_European 10.62
4 West_Asian 6.95
5 South_Asian 2.19


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

1 French + Hungarians + Irish + Orkney @ 2.206851

[N21163]

No. My family is immediately British/UK (my father's mother's family clan has more than 1,000 years of history in Ireland). My distant relatives are European - dutch, danish, netherlands so that general area.

The calculator has limitations and it is unable to differentiate your results than that of its german samples. It's all a best fit approach, there may be more refined calculators in the future that can give more accurate results for everyone.

[rachelleleclaire]

K15 results for F362048:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lithuanian @ 7.958678
2 Estonian @ 10.052436
3 Belorussian @ 11.782290
4 Estonian_Polish @ 12.907417
5 Southwest_Russian @ 13.590520
6 Polish @ 14.278698
7 Ukrainian @ 14.391344
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 14.425856
9 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.646840
10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 15.146041
11 South_Polish @ 15.615285
12 Kargopol_Russian @ 17.056225
13 Erzya @ 17.462105
14 East_Finnish @ 18.705181
15 Finnish @ 18.846146
16 La_Brana-1 @ 21.197609
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.562819
18 Croatian @ 22.966999
19 Hungarian @ 24.233406
20 Moldavian @ 24.511396

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Lithuanian @ 7.831858


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 7.831858


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.554806
2 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.831858
3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.958678
4 Belorussian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.582541
5 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 8.606662
6 Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.633144
7 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 8.712763
8 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian @ 8.718904
9 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.722831
10 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.789214
11 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.817628
12 Estonian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.826287
13 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 8.870245
14 East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.954267
15 Belorussian + Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian @ 8.972262
16 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 8.993505
17 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Polish @ 8.993839
18 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 9.029572
19 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 9.034766
20 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Polish @ 9.065020

Seems pretty accurate considering 8/8 of the great grandparents of this test holder were born in Latvia, nestled between Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Russia. And the direct Y line has shown up as I2a1b2... (carpathian/dinaric).
No Latvian population, but Estonian_Polish is a category?

[1798]

Samara HG 5555BC R1b1a K15
North_Sea 25.51
Atlantic 0.01
Baltic 17.68
Eastern_Euro 41.73
West_Med 0
West_Asian 0
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 1.99
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 12.02
Oceanian 1.07
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

Yamnaya 2,900 BC 10231 Z2103
North_Sea 24.3
Atlantic 8.21
Baltic 10.01
Eastern_Euro 30.66
West_Med 0
West_Asian 15.08
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 6.22
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 5.47
Oceanian 0.05
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0


The Samara R1b could not belong to P297 alone. P297 is older that 7,500 ybp. Also he has no west Asian dna.

[1798]

Samara HG 5555BC R1b1a K15
North_Sea 25.51
Atlantic 0.01
Baltic 17.68
Eastern_Euro 41.73
West_Med 0
West_Asian 0
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 1.99
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 12.02
Oceanian 1.07
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

Yamnaya 2,900 BC 10231 Z2103
North_Sea 24.3
Atlantic 8.21
Baltic 10.01
Eastern_Euro 30.66
West_Med 0
West_Asian 15.08
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 6.22
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 5.47
Oceanian 0.05
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0


The Samara R1b could not belong to P297 alone. P297 is older that 7,500 ybp. Also he has no west Asian dna.

R-P297P297/PF6398 * YSC0000269/PF6475/S17 * FGC69/L320/PF6092formed 15900 ybp, TMRCA 13300 ybp

[1798]

Rise98 U106 gedmatch F999941
1 North_Sea 39.93
2 Atlantic 18.64
3 Eastern_Euro 16.41
4 Baltic 15.82
5 West_Med 7.64
6 South_Asian 1.07
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 5.998006

Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
# Population Percent
1 West_European 60.70
2 East_European 16.69
3 Mediterranean 16.06
4 West_Asian 3.83
5 South_Asian 1.35
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Polish @ 2.455546

[1798]

Here is a link to the K15 calculator info and area maps.


http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/1...-gedmatch.html

[SoutherngalKiwi]

Eurogenes K13

Population
North_Atlantic 52.36
Baltic 20.90
West_Med 10.55
West_Asian 7.02
East_Med 0.13
Red_Sea 1.20
South_Asian 3.52
East_Asian 2.25
Siberian 0.98
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.58
Northeast_African-
Sub-Saharan 0.49

Eurogenes K15

Population
North_Sea 32.89
Atlantic 34.21
Baltic 10.23
Eastern_Euro 5.00
West_Med 4.51
West_Asian 5.65
East_Med -
Red_Sea 0.92
South_Asian 3.00
Southeast_Asian 2.07
Siberian 0.82
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.46
Northeast_African-
Sub-Saharan 0.25