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  • Originally posted by N21163 View Post
    That's not how it works. You may wish to refer to this previous post for clarification: http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...&postcount=229
    That's what I thought but was a tad confused.

    If one looks at the oracle singular - not the oracle - 4 - for some of my results it is a bit mind boggling.

    I mean does


    Primary - Secondary - Distance
    97% German - 2.4% Kalash - @ 0.96 mean that I am closely related to that % of Germans & Kalash or is it merely taking a stab in the dark.

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    • Originally posted by James78 View Post
      That's what I thought but was a tad confused.

      If one looks at the oracle singular - not the oracle - 4 - for some of my results it is a bit mind boggling.

      I mean does


      Primary - Secondary - Distance
      97% German - 2.4% Kalash - @ 0.96 mean that I am closely related to that % of Germans & Kalash or is it merely taking a stab in the dark.
      Are you 97% German?

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      • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
        Are you 97% German?
        No. My family is immediately British/UK (my father's mother's family clan has more than 1,000 years of history in Ireland). My distant relatives are European - dutch, danish, netherlands so that general area.

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        • Originally posted by James78 View Post
          No. My family is immediately British/UK (my father's mother's family clan has more than 1,000 years of history in Ireland). My distant relatives are European - dutch, danish, netherlands so that general area.
          My Wife's K15 can't be right. I think that her Orcadian and west Scottish result is wrong. I think that she is getting that result because of her high percentage markers from the North Sea. The spread sheet for the populations has Orcadian at 39% NS and she has 37% NS.I have 34% NS so I am drawn towards the Irish average.

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          • My dodecad V3 result
            # Population Percent
            1 West_European 55.32
            2 Mediterranean 23.38
            3 East_European 12.06
            4 West_Asian 7.29
            5 South_Asian 1.45
            Using 4 populations approximation:
            1 Argyll + Argyll + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.146069

            My Wife's results
            # Population Percent
            1 West_European 56.25
            2 Mediterranean 24.37
            3 East_European 10.80
            4 West_Asian 6.95
            5 South_Asian 1.14

            Using 4 populations approximation:
            1 Orkney + Orkney + Orkney + Argyll @ 0.678903

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            • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
              My dodecad V3 result
              # Population Percent
              1 West_European 55.32
              2 Mediterranean 23.38
              3 East_European 12.06
              4 West_Asian 7.29
              5 South_Asian 1.45
              Using 4 populations approximation:
              1 Argyll + Argyll + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.146069

              My Wife's results
              # Population Percent
              1 West_European 56.25
              2 Mediterranean 24.37
              3 East_European 10.80
              4 West_Asian 6.95
              5 South_Asian 1.14

              Using 4 populations approximation:
              1 Orkney + Orkney + Orkney + Argyll @ 0.678903

              Hinxton 4
              # Population Percent
              1 West_European 53.13
              2 Mediterranean 25.96
              3 East_European 10.62
              4 West_Asian 6.95
              5 South_Asian 2.19


              Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
              12 components mode.

              1 French + Hungarians + Irish + Orkney @ 2.206851

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              • Originally posted by James78 View Post
                No. My family is immediately British/UK (my father's mother's family clan has more than 1,000 years of history in Ireland). My distant relatives are European - dutch, danish, netherlands so that general area.
                The calculator has limitations and it is unable to differentiate your results than that of its german samples. It's all a best fit approach, there may be more refined calculators in the future that can give more accurate results for everyone.

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                • K15 results for F362048:

                  Using 1 population approximation:
                  1 Lithuanian @ 7.958678
                  2 Estonian @ 10.052436
                  3 Belorussian @ 11.782290
                  4 Estonian_Polish @ 12.907417
                  5 Southwest_Russian @ 13.590520
                  6 Polish @ 14.278698
                  7 Ukrainian @ 14.391344
                  8 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 14.425856
                  9 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.646840
                  10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 15.146041
                  11 South_Polish @ 15.615285
                  12 Kargopol_Russian @ 17.056225
                  13 Erzya @ 17.462105
                  14 East_Finnish @ 18.705181
                  15 Finnish @ 18.846146
                  16 La_Brana-1 @ 21.197609
                  17 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.562819
                  18 Croatian @ 22.966999
                  19 Hungarian @ 24.233406
                  20 Moldavian @ 24.511396

                  Using 2 populations approximation:
                  1 50% Estonian +50% Lithuanian @ 7.831858


                  Using 3 populations approximation:
                  1 50% Estonian +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 7.831858


                  Using 4 populations approximation:
                  1 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.554806
                  2 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.831858
                  3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.958678
                  4 Belorussian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.582541
                  5 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 8.606662
                  6 Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.633144
                  7 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 8.712763
                  8 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian @ 8.718904
                  9 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.722831
                  10 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.789214
                  11 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.817628
                  12 Estonian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.826287
                  13 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 8.870245
                  14 East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 8.954267
                  15 Belorussian + Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian @ 8.972262
                  16 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 8.993505
                  17 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Polish @ 8.993839
                  18 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 9.029572
                  19 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 9.034766
                  20 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Polish @ 9.065020

                  Seems pretty accurate considering 8/8 of the great grandparents of this test holder were born in Latvia, nestled between Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Russia. And the direct Y line has shown up as I2a1b2... (carpathian/dinaric).
                  No Latvian population, but Estonian_Polish is a category?

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                  • Samara HG 5555BC R1b1a K15
                    North_Sea 25.51
                    Atlantic 0.01
                    Baltic 17.68
                    Eastern_Euro 41.73
                    West_Med 0
                    West_Asian 0
                    East_Med 0
                    Red_Sea 0
                    South_Asian 1.99
                    Southeast_Asian 0
                    Siberian 0
                    Amerindian 12.02
                    Oceanian 1.07
                    Northeast_African 0
                    Sub-Saharan 0

                    Yamnaya 2,900 BC 10231 Z2103
                    North_Sea 24.3
                    Atlantic 8.21
                    Baltic 10.01
                    Eastern_Euro 30.66
                    West_Med 0
                    West_Asian 15.08
                    East_Med 0
                    Red_Sea 0
                    South_Asian 6.22
                    Southeast_Asian 0
                    Siberian 0
                    Amerindian 5.47
                    Oceanian 0.05
                    Northeast_African 0
                    Sub-Saharan 0


                    The Samara R1b could not belong to P297 alone. P297 is older that 7,500 ybp. Also he has no west Asian dna.

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                    • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      Samara HG 5555BC R1b1a K15
                      North_Sea 25.51
                      Atlantic 0.01
                      Baltic 17.68
                      Eastern_Euro 41.73
                      West_Med 0
                      West_Asian 0
                      East_Med 0
                      Red_Sea 0
                      South_Asian 1.99
                      Southeast_Asian 0
                      Siberian 0
                      Amerindian 12.02
                      Oceanian 1.07
                      Northeast_African 0
                      Sub-Saharan 0

                      Yamnaya 2,900 BC 10231 Z2103
                      North_Sea 24.3
                      Atlantic 8.21
                      Baltic 10.01
                      Eastern_Euro 30.66
                      West_Med 0
                      West_Asian 15.08
                      East_Med 0
                      Red_Sea 0
                      South_Asian 6.22
                      Southeast_Asian 0
                      Siberian 0
                      Amerindian 5.47
                      Oceanian 0.05
                      Northeast_African 0
                      Sub-Saharan 0


                      The Samara R1b could not belong to P297 alone. P297 is older that 7,500 ybp. Also he has no west Asian dna.
                      R-P297P297/PF6398 * YSC0000269/PF6475/S17 * FGC69/L320/PF6092formed 15900 ybp, TMRCA 13300 ybp

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                      • Rise98 U106 gedmatch F999941
                        1 North_Sea 39.93
                        2 Atlantic 18.64
                        3 Eastern_Euro 16.41
                        4 Baltic 15.82
                        5 West_Med 7.64
                        6 South_Asian 1.07
                        Using 4 populations approximation:
                        1 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 5.998006

                        Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
                        # Population Percent
                        1 West_European 60.70
                        2 East_European 16.69
                        3 Mediterranean 16.06
                        4 West_Asian 3.83
                        5 South_Asian 1.35
                        Using 4 populations approximation:
                        1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Polish @ 2.455546

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                        • Here is a link to the K15 calculator info and area maps.


                          http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/1...-gedmatch.html

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                          • Eurogenes K13

                            Population
                            North_Atlantic 52.36
                            Baltic 20.90
                            West_Med 10.55
                            West_Asian 7.02
                            East_Med 0.13
                            Red_Sea 1.20
                            South_Asian 3.52
                            East_Asian 2.25
                            Siberian 0.98
                            Amerindian -
                            Oceanian 0.58
                            Northeast_African-
                            Sub-Saharan 0.49

                            Eurogenes K15

                            Population
                            North_Sea 32.89
                            Atlantic 34.21
                            Baltic 10.23
                            Eastern_Euro 5.00
                            West_Med 4.51
                            West_Asian 5.65
                            East_Med -
                            Red_Sea 0.92
                            South_Asian 3.00
                            Southeast_Asian 2.07
                            Siberian 0.82
                            Amerindian -
                            Oceanian 0.46
                            Northeast_African-
                            Sub-Saharan 0.25

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