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  • K15

    Population
    North_Sea 29.25%
    Atlantic 30.78%
    Baltic 10.67%
    Eastern_Euro 7.53%
    West_Med 13.62%
    West_Asian 3.52%
    East_Med 1.15%
    Red_Sea 2.43%
    South_Asian 0.48%
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.58%
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    K13

    Population
    North_Atlantic 46.41%
    Baltic 22.46%
    West_Med 17.79%
    West_Asian 4.31%
    East_Med 4.38%
    Red_Sea 2.61%
    South_Asian 1.07%
    East_Asian 0.24%
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.73%
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Comment


    • Here are my results. There seems to be some variance between Eurogenes & myOrigins. My known ancestry is English, German, and Scots-Irish. (There is a strong oral tradition of some Jewish ancestry on my mother's side. There also appears to have been some African ancestry from the 17th century in colonial Virginia.)

      Eurogenes K13

      North_Atlantic 46.42%
      Baltic 24.61%
      West_Med 14.40%
      West_Asian 7.34%
      East_Med 3.66%
      Red_Sea 0.50%
      South_Asian 1.46%
      East_Asian -
      Siberian 0.24%
      Amerindian -
      Oceanian -
      Northeast_African -
      Sub-Saharan 1.37%

      Eurogenes V2 K15

      North_Sea 32.55%
      Atlantic 27.31%
      Baltic 12.04%
      Eastern_Euro 9.21%
      West_Med 10.26%
      West_Asian 6.06%
      East_Med -
      Red_Sea 0.41%
      South_Asian 0.93%
      Southeast_Asian -
      Siberian -
      Amerindian -
      Oceanian -
      Northeast_African -
      Sub-Saharan 1.22%

      myOrigins

      European 92%
      • British Isles 51%
      • Scandinavia 36%
      • Southern Europe 5%


      Middle Eastern 7%
      • Asia Minor 6%
      • North Africa 1%

      Comment


      • Never been much of a fan of these population finder things but I can see the draw if you are fishing about trying to find your genetic makeup.

        I'm a Brit and my father's mostly English with ancestry (going back 5 generations) from Shropshire, Staffordshire, Gloucestershire, Derbyshire, Somerset and Radnorshire, so a heavy accent on SW England.

        My mother conversely is mostly Welsh with ancestry from Monmouthshire, Glamorgan, Pembrokeshire, Breconshire, Radnorshire and Gloucestershire and one ancestor from Ireland, so pretty much S. Wales.

        Using the K15 calculator with the Oracle 4 population thingy gives these results

        Mum

        1 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Norwegian @ 1.604051
        2 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.713337
        3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Norwegian @ 1.780728
        4 Danish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.790308
        5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.797148

        Dad

        1 French_Basque + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.762743
        2 French_Basque + North_Dutch + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.843920
        3 French_Basque + Orcadian + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 3.871064
        4 French_Basque + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 3.878989
        5 French_Basque + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.909098

        Me

        1 Southwest_French + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.160055
        2 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.195745
        3 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.244851
        4 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.260586
        5 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.263885


        Personally I beg to differ : )

        Comment


        • Here are mine ,my Wife and Son's K15 results and the first line in each. We all have 16 GG grandparents born in Ireland. We can go back further with some of the lines. It depends on the church records.

          Using 4 populations approximation:
          1 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 4.162835
          1 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.465515
          1 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.420913

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          • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
            Prof.Sykes is a genetic scientist and a small number of people rejected his theory that R1b arrived in the Isles after the Ice-Age, because it did not fit with their views of their own ethnic identity. The evidence has not been produced yet, that he was totally wrong, because there has not been enough ancient dna test results. In fact there has been no ancient dna tests from the Isles to date.
            Sykes can make sensationalist claims at times. I personally put him in a similar category to Alistair Moffat.

            Originally posted by MMaddi View Post
            And don't forget that Sykes is seriously pursuing the cult belief that Bigfoot is a cross between a human and an ape. He's always been more a writer of science books geared to a popular audience than a scientist.
            Hmmm...

            Originally posted by 1798 View Post
            @ N21163
            The highlighted groups are my ancient links.I would like Davidski to take those markers out of his calculator.

            My K15
            Population *
            North_Sea 34.43%
            Atlantic 31.38%
            Baltic 13.42%
            Eastern_Euro 7.33%
            West_Med 5.38%
            West_Asian 5.47%

            East_Med - * *
            Red_Sea - * *
            South_Asian 1.95%
            Southeast_Asian - * *
            Siberian - * *
            Amerindian 0.44%
            Oceanian - * *
            Northeast_African 0.20%
            Sub-Saharan - * *
            I don't think what you are asking can be done (to simply remove these components from the K15 calculator).
            Have a look at your K15 admixture results but click on Admixture Proportions by Chromosome instead of Oracle and you should be able to see what I mean.

            A new algorithm would need to be written and one again you may have different grouping names and different percentage results for each category.

            Any queries about the calculators contact Davidski directly. It states this on the gedmatch results.
            Last edited by N21163; 12 April 2015, 04:17 PM.

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            • Originally posted by MMaddi View Post
              And don't forget that Sykes is seriously pursuing the cult belief that Bigfoot is a cross between a human and an ape. He's always been more a writer of science books geared to a popular audience than a scientist.
              Here are links to pages about Sykes' involvement in Bigfoot and related (Yeti in Asia) research.

              http://doubtfulnews.com/tag/dna/ - read the first two posts, dated April 4 and 5

              http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.o....full.pdf+html

              http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird...entity-n144986 - Although his DNA analysis did not confirm any connection to a human or another primate, Sykes said, "I don't think this finishes the Bigfoot myth at all. What it does do is show that there is a way for Bigfoot enthusiasts to go back out into the forest and get the real thing."

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              • Originally posted by N21163 View Post
                Sykes can make sensationalist claims at times. I personally put him in a similar category to Alistair Moffat.



                I don't think what you are asking can be done (to simply remove these components from the K15 calculator).
                Have a look at your K15 admixture results but click on Admixture Proportions by Chromosome instead of Oracle and you should be able to see what I mean.

                A new algorithm would need to be written and one again you may have different grouping names and different percentage results for each category.

                Any queries about the calculators contact Davidski directly. It states this on the gedmatch results.
                I think that Prof. Sykes did say that he found Mtdna H in the dna of "Red lady of Paviland". Mtdna H was found in the dna of another ancient red lady from El Miron. Was he wrong? Academics can get it right some of the time.


                That would be progress.

                Comment


                • 1 North_Sea 41.05
                  2 Atlantic 26.01
                  3 West_Med 9.63
                  4 Baltic 9.43
                  5 Eastern_Euro 5.39
                  6 West_Asian 4.42
                  7 Red_Sea 1.10

                  Using 4 populations approximation:
                  1 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.726198
                  2 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 4.759004
                  3 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 4.847216
                  4 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 4.980344
                  5 French + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 5.158590
                  6 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.175959
                  7 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 5.183391
                  8 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.190785
                  9 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German @ 5.191773
                  10 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.196063
                  11 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.196285
                  12 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 5.200648
                  13 French + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.210138
                  14 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 5.230607
                  15 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Norwegian @ 5.232418
                  16 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.242449
                  17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 5.249217
                  18 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 5.262799
                  19 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German @ 5.271689
                  20 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 5.294653

                  Red Sea component : EthioHelix Africa K10 + Palestinian
                  East-Africa1 2.59%
                  Khoi-San 1.74%
                  Palestinian 91.85%
                  Omotic 3.81%

                  Comment


                  • # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                    1 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Kalash @ 3.54
                    2 96.6% Irish + 3.4% North_Ossetian @ 3.56
                    3 93.3% Irish + 6.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.57
                    4 96.8% Irish + 3.2% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.58
                    5 65% Irish + 35% North_German @ 3.58
                    6 96.9% Irish + 3.1% Pathan @ 3.6
                    7 94.3% Irish + 5.7% Lithuanian @ 3.6
                    8 96.5% Irish + 3.5% Chechen @ 3.6
                    9 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Sindhi @ 3.6
                    10 97% Irish + 3% Burusho @ 3.6
                    11 96.6% Irish + 3.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.61
                    12 96.6% Irish + 3.4% Kabardin @ 3.62
                    13 94.1% Irish + 5.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.62
                    14 93.9% Irish + 6.1% Belorussian @ 3.62
                    15 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Kshatriya @ 3.63
                    16 96.8% Irish + 3.2% Adygei @ 3.63
                    17 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Brahmin_UP @ 3.63
                    18 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Gujarati @ 3.64
                    19 96.8% Irish + 3.2% Balkar @ 3.64
                    20 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Balochi @ 3.65

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                    • Can anyone explain a bit about what the 2, 3, and 4, populations things are? My ancestry is overwhelmingly French, according to all available records to the 1600s. I don't understand what the Portuguese and Spanish populations imply.

                      Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
                      Admix Results (sorted):
                      # Population Percent
                      1 North_Sea 31.20
                      2 Atlantic 26.72
                      3 West_Med 14.88
                      4 Baltic 9.39
                      5 Eastern_Euro 7.43
                      6 East_Med 6.33
                      7 Northeast_African 1.61
                      8 West_Asian 1.61


                      Using 1 population approximation:
                      1 French @ 5.702926
                      2 South_Dutch @ 5.936514
                      3 West_German @ 7.878894
                      4 Southwest_English @ 7.903749
                      5 Southeast_English @ 9.354365
                      6 North_German @ 11.599725
                      7 Irish @ 11.844362
                      8 North_Dutch @ 12.209360
                      9 Danish @ 12.211636
                      10 West_Scottish @ 12.381487
                      11 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.828498
                      12 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.986294
                      13 Orcadian @ 13.189578
                      14 Portuguese @ 13.961959
                      15 East_German @ 14.307505
                      16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 14.624957
                      17 Norwegian @ 14.884726
                      18 Spanish_Murcia @ 15.939046
                      19 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.030125
                      20 Swedish @ 16.052277

                      Using 2 populations approximation:
                      1 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% West_Norwegian @ 2.700714

                      Using 3 populations approximation:
                      1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.681847

                      Using 4 populations approximation:
                      1 Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.338215
                      2 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.475672
                      3 Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.515607
                      4 Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.536214
                      5 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.604297
                      6 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.607214
                      7 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.607295
                      8 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.632636
                      9 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.637018
                      10 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.651531
                      11 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon + West_Norwegian @ 2.654937
                      12 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian @ 2.669434
                      13 Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.673047
                      14 Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.674666
                      15 Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.679759
                      16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.681847
                      17 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.689327
                      18 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.694232
                      19 Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.700101
                      20 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.700714

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                      • Originally posted by acollette49 View Post
                        Can anyone explain a bit about what the 2, 3, and 4, populations things are? My ancestry is overwhelmingly French, according to all available records to the 1600s. I don't understand what the Portuguese and Spanish populations imply.

                        Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
                        Admix Results (sorted):
                        # Population Percent
                        1 North_Sea 31.20
                        2 Atlantic 26.72
                        3 West_Med 14.88
                        4 Baltic 9.39
                        5 Eastern_Euro 7.43
                        6 East_Med 6.33
                        7 Northeast_African 1.61
                        8 West_Asian 1.61


                        Using 1 population approximation:
                        1 French @ 5.702926
                        2 South_Dutch @ 5.936514
                        3 West_German @ 7.878894
                        4 Southwest_English @ 7.903749
                        5 Southeast_English @ 9.354365
                        6 North_German @ 11.599725
                        7 Irish @ 11.844362
                        8 North_Dutch @ 12.209360
                        9 Danish @ 12.211636
                        10 West_Scottish @ 12.381487
                        11 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.828498
                        12 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.986294
                        13 Orcadian @ 13.189578
                        14 Portuguese @ 13.961959
                        15 East_German @ 14.307505
                        16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 14.624957
                        17 Norwegian @ 14.884726
                        18 Spanish_Murcia @ 15.939046
                        19 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.030125
                        20 Swedish @ 16.052277

                        Using 2 populations approximation:
                        1 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% West_Norwegian @ 2.700714

                        Using 3 populations approximation:
                        1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.681847

                        Using 4 populations approximation:
                        1 Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.338215
                        2 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.475672
                        3 Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.515607
                        4 Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.536214
                        5 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.604297
                        6 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.607214
                        7 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.607295
                        8 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.632636
                        9 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.637018
                        10 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.651531
                        11 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon + West_Norwegian @ 2.654937
                        12 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian @ 2.669434
                        13 Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.673047
                        14 Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.674666
                        15 Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.679759
                        16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.681847
                        17 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.689327
                        18 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.694232
                        19 Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.700101
                        20 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.700714
                        Gedmatch admixture calculators use an algorithm to extrapolate what percentage of genetic groupings i.e. North Sea, Atlantic etc you have in your autosomal DNA. The algorithm then compares your percentage results for each group and compares them with "averages" taken from a set of sample populations. This then produces an approximation of which population(s) your results are most similar to.

                        You will notice that your top result is "French @ 5.702926"

                        This software provides a "best fit" based on the information from the sample populations. These calculators may work for some people and not others, so don't be too alarmed just yet.

                        It could be that you have some Spanish/Portuguese/Norwegian ancestry in your background or it may be that these are the populations that the admixture calculator thinks your results are "most similar too". This process does have limitations but it is worth considering how our ancestry fits into history.

                        Considering French history, migrations, wars, invasions and shifting borders or numerous French/Frankish duchies, you could possibly be that you have some of these populations in your genetic ancestry. Confirming these results with genealogical records may be difficult however.

                        I hope this helps.
                        Last edited by N21163; 13 April 2015, 11:49 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by acollette49 View Post
                          Can anyone explain a bit about what the 2, 3, and 4, populations things are? My ancestry is overwhelmingly French, according to all available records to the 1600s. I don't understand what the Portuguese and Spanish populations imply.

                          Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
                          Admix Results (sorted):
                          # Population Percent
                          1 North_Sea 31.20
                          2 Atlantic 26.72
                          3 West_Med 14.88
                          4 Baltic 9.39
                          5 Eastern_Euro 7.43
                          6 East_Med 6.33
                          7 Northeast_African 1.61
                          8 West_Asian 1.61


                          Using 1 population approximation:
                          1 French @ 5.702926
                          2 South_Dutch @ 5.936514
                          3 West_German @ 7.878894
                          4 Southwest_English @ 7.903749
                          5 Southeast_English @ 9.354365
                          6 North_German @ 11.599725
                          7 Irish @ 11.844362
                          8 North_Dutch @ 12.209360
                          9 Danish @ 12.211636
                          10 West_Scottish @ 12.381487
                          11 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.828498
                          12 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.986294
                          13 Orcadian @ 13.189578
                          14 Portuguese @ 13.961959
                          15 East_German @ 14.307505
                          16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 14.624957
                          17 Norwegian @ 14.884726
                          18 Spanish_Murcia @ 15.939046
                          19 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.030125
                          20 Swedish @ 16.052277

                          Using 2 populations approximation:
                          1 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% West_Norwegian @ 2.700714

                          Using 3 populations approximation:
                          1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.681847

                          Using 4 populations approximation:
                          1 Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.338215
                          2 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.475672
                          3 Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.515607
                          4 Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.536214
                          5 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.604297
                          6 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.607214
                          7 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.607295
                          8 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.632636
                          9 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.637018
                          10 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.651531
                          11 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon + West_Norwegian @ 2.654937
                          12 Norwegian + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian @ 2.669434
                          13 Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.673047
                          14 Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.674666
                          15 Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.679759
                          16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.681847
                          17 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.689327
                          18 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.694232
                          19 Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.700101
                          20 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.700714
                          If you click on oracle you will see your primary population result which is France. Those other links could be ancient.

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                          • 4-Ancestors Oracle critique

                            The 4-Ancestors Oracle is a stupid way to fit population percent (like "North_Sea" etc) data to the averages of current populations for many people. Of course, if not all of your (great)grandparents are from the same population, then 4-Ancestors Oracle's coarse 25% population chunks may fit adequately to your data.

                            For myself (known roots widely and deeply West-Finnish, with some East-Finnish) the plain Oracle gives better results.

                            1 Southwest_Finnish 6.19
                            2 Finnish 8.28
                            3 East_Finnish 8.9
                            4 Polish 12.41
                            5 North_Swedish 12.67

                            1 90.8% Southwest_Finnish + 9.2% Mari @5.23
                            2 89.5% Southwest_Finnish + 10.5% Chuvash @5.34
                            3 95.8% Southwest_Finnish + 4.2% Selkup @5.49
                            4 83.2% East_Finnish + 16.8% French_Basque @5.5

                            Already there can be seen that compared to the average "Southwest_Finnish" I am more eastern (Mari, Chuvash, Selkup), but compared to the average "East_Finnish" I am more western (French_Basque). The third composition is already clearly an artifact, and the fourth even more.

                            For comparison, my 4-Ancestors Oracle four population fitting results:
                            1 East_Finnish + Irish + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_Finnish @6.414351
                            2 East_Finnish + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @6.416669
                            3 Irish + Irish + Lithuanian + Mari @6.454047
                            4 Irish + Lithuanian + Mari + West_Scottish @6.472548
                            ...
                            13 East_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish @ 6.711174

                            The best fit of those (~6.41) is, due to the coarse fitting, more distant than the best fit by plain Oracle (5.23). Here it can also be seen that the 25% chunks force the population components to combine wildly, so that the third and fourth compositions do not even recognize any Finnish component in me, and still the Irish/West_Scottish artifact component manages to enter all the top four fits.
                            Last edited by 192971; 14 April 2015, 03:45 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by N21163 View Post
                              Gedmatch admixture calculators use an algorithm to extrapolate what percentage of genetic groupings i.e. North Sea, Atlantic etc you have in your autosomal DNA. The algorithm then compares your percentage results for each group and compares them with "averages" taken from a set of sample populations. This then produces an approximation of which population(s) your results are most similar to.

                              You will notice that your top result is "French @ 5.702926"

                              This software provides a "best fit" based on the information from the sample populations. These calculators may work for some people and not others, so don't be too alarmed just yet.

                              It could be that you have some Spanish/Portuguese/Norwegian ancestry in your background or it may be that these are the populations that the admixture calculator thinks your results are "most similar too". This process does have limitations but it is worth considering how our ancestry fits into history.

                              Considering French history, migrations, wars, invasions and shifting borders or numerous French/Frankish duchies, you could possibly be that you have some of these populations in your genetic ancestry. Confirming these results with genealogical records may be difficult however.

                              I hope this helps.
                              Thanks for the explanation. I do have some Portuguese, but it is literally 4 people in the early 1600s. I also have a pretty good idea of where my French ancestors are from, so everything except the Spanish makes sense in terms of migration and conquest.

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                              • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                                I think that Prof. Sykes did say that he found Mtdna H in the dna of "Red lady of Paviland". Mtdna H was found in the dna of another ancient red lady from El Miron. Was he wrong? Academics can get it right some of the time.


                                That would be progress.
                                Now that is odd that the one academic you think worthy is a pop scientist who's conclusions fit neatly with your ideal whist all others are cast into the bin : )

                                As it happens the finding was iffy but it's not the only one, a lot of early aMtDNA is suspect for one reason or another.

                                The Spanish mtDNA you mentioned does look promising but more rigorous testing is needed, they are apparently on the way, and hopefully some sort of age for the remains in order to make the results useful.
                                Last edited by Subwoofer; 14 April 2015, 01:01 PM.

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