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  • I made a mistake. F999925 is the ID for Hinxton 4 at gedmatch.
    K15 Hinxton 4.
    1 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 4.858814
    My K15
    1 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 4.162835

    There is a gap of 2000 years between Hinxton and I and yet there is little difference in the K15 result.
    Last edited by 1798; 10 April 2015, 09:01 AM.

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    • I see it now - I see what you're trying to say. Hinxton 4 is your g-g-g-g(x50) grandfather. What amazing connections dna is able to find ...

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      • Originally posted by MikeP View Post
        I see it now - I see what you're trying to say. Hinxton 4 is your g-g-g-g(x50) grandfather. What amazing connections dna is able to find ...
        Hinxton 4 was an Irishman.....

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        • Hinxton 4 2000 ybp ID F999925
          Population *
          North_Sea 34.84%
          Atlantic 31.86%
          Baltic 13.89%
          Eastern_Euro 5.72%
          West_Med 6.34%
          West_Asian 4.78%
          East_Med - * *
          Red_Sea - * *
          South_Asian 1.93%
          Southeast_Asian - * *
          Siberian 0.13%
          Amerindian - * *
          Oceanian - * *
          Northeast_African - * *
          Sub-Saharan 0.51%


          My K15
          Population *
          North_Sea 34.43%
          Atlantic 31.38%
          Baltic 13.42%
          Eastern_Euro 7.33%
          West_Med 5.38%
          West_Asian 5.47%
          East_Med - * *
          Red_Sea - * *
          South_Asian 1.95%
          Southeast_Asian - * *
          Siberian - * *
          Amerindian 0.44%
          Oceanian - * *
          Northeast_African 0.20%
          Sub-Saharan - * *

          I don't how Hinxton 4 can be close to me as we have two different myOrigin profiles.

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          • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
            Hinxton 4 was an Irishman.....
            Iron Age Briton yes.

            Irishman...possibly...

            We won't know for sure due to the limitations of the systems at hand...

            If more [any] ancient DNA matching Hinxton-4 shows up in Ireland then we may have more of an idea.

            Originally posted by 1798 View Post
            Hinxton 4 2000 ybp ID F999925
            Population *
            North_Sea 34.84%
            Atlantic 31.86%
            Baltic 13.89%
            Eastern_Euro 5.72%
            West_Med 6.34%
            West_Asian 4.78%
            East_Med - * *
            Red_Sea - * *
            South_Asian 1.93%
            Southeast_Asian - * *
            Siberian 0.13%
            Amerindian - * *
            Oceanian - * *
            Northeast_African - * *
            Sub-Saharan 0.51%


            My K15
            Population *
            North_Sea 34.43%
            Atlantic 31.38%
            Baltic 13.42%
            Eastern_Euro 7.33%
            West_Med 5.38%
            West_Asian 5.47%
            East_Med - * *
            Red_Sea - * *
            South_Asian 1.95%
            Southeast_Asian - * *
            Siberian - * *
            Amerindian 0.44%
            Oceanian - * *
            Northeast_African 0.20%
            Sub-Saharan - * *

            I don't how Hinxton 4 can be close to me as we have two different myOrigin profiles.
            Rehash...

            Different programme algorithms and varying limitations from sample populations used within those programmes.
            Last edited by N21163; 11 April 2015, 07:23 AM.

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            • "Different programme algorithms and varying limitations from sample populations used within those programmes."

              I am sure FTDNA has enough dna from Irish people now to determine their profile on myOrigins.

              Do you think that your K15 result is wrong?

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              • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                "Different programme algorithms and varying limitations from sample populations used within those programmes."

                I am sure FTDNA has enough dna from Irish people now to determine their profile on myOrigins.
                And yet...you are convinced Hinxton-4 was Irish.

                Can you offer an alternative explanation, than what I provided, for the differences between your MyOrigins results and that of Hinxton-4?

                You have previously stated your MyOrigins results are something in the order of:

                British Isles 98%
                Finland and Northern Siberia 2%

                Correct?

                Hinxton-4 MyOrigins result:
                http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JhcUQEtS86.../Hinxton-4.PNG

                Here is the explanation of the population cluster for Hinxton-4 myOrigin results:

                "Scandinavia, Western & Central Europe
                As the North European plain aside the North Sea and Baltic region tapers off into the Jutland peninsula Central Europe becomes the North. Where one ends and the other begins is in some ways a matter of debate. Where Denmark begins and Germany ends has been more the outcome of historical coincidence than any geographic or genetic fact. The Scandinavia, Western & Central Europe cluster is a composite which acknowledges that many people bear the hallmarks of straddling these groups, which are genetically very near each other.

                People whose ancestors hail from Denmark or the broad plains of Saxony in northern Germany often exhibit affinity with this cluster, due to the recent history of migration south, as well as the deep history of settlement of Scandinavia from Central Europe. This composite is the northern face of Western and Central Europe, and rightly acknowledges the connection of the German-speaking peoples which span different genetic clusters."

                https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/...tion-clusters/


                Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                Do you think that your K15 result is wrong?
                I have no problem with my K15 result.
                I don't bring an agenda to these forums and I have stated this a number of times.


                Why you would ask me such a question in any case?

                You have established that it really doesn't matter to you what myself or others think, as you only have confidence in yourself.
                Last edited by N21163; 11 April 2015, 09:32 AM.

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                • Hinxton 4 K15 result shows that he is closest to the Irish population. The myOrigin result for Hinxton 4 doesn't look right.

                  Also, I am sure you don't really care what I think.

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                  • Originally posted by N21163 View Post







                    I have no problem with my K15 result.
                    I don't bring an agenda to these forums and I have stated this a number of times.


                    Why you would ask me such a question in any case?

                    You have established that it really doesn't matter to you what myself or others think, as you only have confidence in yourself.
                    I don't have an agenda. I asked you because I wanted to know if your K15 result is the correct one for you. The K15 calculator is about the best one for me at present. A few friends of mine seem to think it is okay as well.

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                    • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      Hinxton 4 K15 result shows that he is closest to the Irish population.
                      Yes, but a 'best fit' does not necessarily correlate to a match.

                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      The myOrigin result for Hinxton 4 doesn't look right.
                      The myOrigin result doesn't look right because you are assuming the gedmatch K15 result is right.

                      Numerous people have stated such tools have limitations and need to be refined further.

                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      Also, I am sure you don't really care what I think.
                      I'm interested in what most people think as long as there is credible research to back up claims.

                      Pointing out that you only have confidence in yourself, tells everyone that you don't care what others say, or what the current research says, if it conflicts with your beliefs.

                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      I don't have an agenda.
                      It doesn't seem that way at times, especially when you disregard research.
                      Most of us are willing to change our position if new research presents itself.

                      It doesn't seem like you are prepared to do this, that you are fixed with your ideas and that you are just waiting for the evidence to be discovered.

                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      I asked you because I wanted to know if your K15 result is the correct one for you.
                      It could be right for me, but I am not willing to say it is correct at this stage.
                      There are still numerous gaps in my ancestral knowledge.
                      What is written in genealogical records isn't always true.

                      From what I understand of Irish records, and please correct me if I am wrong, there would be some people who would have gaps in their knowledge too.

                      We can all assume we know our ancestry, there is still a possibility (however small) of there being some unknowns or surprises along the way.

                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      The K15 calculator is about the best one for me at present. A few friends of mine seem to think it is okay as well.
                      There will be some calculators that seem to fit better than others depending on what they know about their ancestry.
                      Last edited by N21163; 11 April 2015, 08:22 PM.

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                      • Prof.Sykes is a genetic scientist and a small number of people rejected his theory that R1b arrived in the Isles after the Ice-Age, because it did not fit with their views of their own ethnic identity. The evidence has not been produced yet, that he was totally wrong, because there has not been enough ancient dna test results. In fact there has been no ancient dna tests from the Isles to date.

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                        • Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                          Prof.Sykes is a genetic scientist and a small number of people rejected his theory that R1b arrived in the Isles after the Ice-Age, because it did not fit with their views of their own ethnic identity. The evidence has not been produced yet, that he was totally wrong, because there has not been enough ancient dna test results. In fact there has been no ancient dna tests from the Isles to date.
                          And don't forget that Sykes is seriously pursuing the cult belief that Bigfoot is a cross between a human and an ape. He's always been more a writer of science books geared to a popular audience than a scientist.

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                          • @ N21163
                            The highlighted groups are my ancient links.I would like Davidski to take those markers out of his calculator.

                            My K15
                            Population *
                            North_Sea 34.43%
                            Atlantic 31.38%
                            Baltic 13.42%
                            Eastern_Euro 7.33%
                            West_Med 5.38%
                            West_Asian 5.47%

                            East_Med - * *
                            Red_Sea - * *
                            South_Asian 1.95%
                            Southeast_Asian - * *
                            Siberian - * *
                            Amerindian 0.44%
                            Oceanian - * *
                            Northeast_African 0.20%
                            Sub-Saharan - * *

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                            • K15

                              # Population Percent
                              1 North_Sea 31.2
                              2 Atlantic 26.72
                              3 West_Med 14.88
                              4 Baltic 9.39
                              5 Eastern_Euro 7.43
                              6 East_Med 6.33
                              7 Northeast_African 1.61
                              8 West_Asian 1.61
                              9 Amerindian 0.5
                              10 Southeast_Asian 0.2
                              11 Oceanian 0.15


                              K13

                              # Population Percent
                              1 North_Atlantic 44.7
                              2 West_Med 20.02
                              3 Baltic 19.73
                              4 East_Med 9.29
                              5 West_Asian 2.99
                              6 Northeast_African 1.49
                              7 Amerindian 0.79
                              8 East_Asian 0.47
                              9 Oceanian 0.37
                              10 Siberian 0.09
                              11 Red_Sea 0.05


                              Paper trails say very French, slightly English, Irish, Scottish, Portuguese, German, Belgian, Swiss, and Amerindian.
                              Last edited by acollette49; 12 April 2015, 12:01 PM. Reason: added info

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                              • Population
                                North_Sea 38.35%
                                Atlantic 24.32%
                                Baltic 12.15%
                                Eastern_Euro 6.90%
                                West_Med 7.61%
                                West_Asian 4.13%
                                East_Med 4.83%
                                Red_Sea 0.67%
                                South_Asian 0.37%
                                Southeast_Asian -
                                Siberian -
                                Amerindian 0.46%
                                Oceanian 0.18%
                                Northeast_African -
                                Sub-Saharan -

                                Your results aren't that different from my English ones.I guess the East Med is from the Romans and that's why you don't have any.
                                Last edited by EastAnglian; 12 April 2015, 12:41 PM.

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