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    "The Rössen Culture (German: Rössener Kultur) is a Central European culture of the middle Neolithic (4,600–4,300 BC). It is named after the necropolis of Rössen (part of Leuna, in the Saalekreis district, Saxony-Anhalt). The Rössen Culture has been identified in 11 of the 16 states of Germany (it is only absent from the Northern part of the North German Plain), but also in the southeast Low Countries, northeast France, northern Switzerland and a small part of Austria.

    The Rössen culture is important as it marks the transition from a broad and widely distributed tradition going back to Central Europe's earliest Neolithic LBK towards the more diversified Middle and Late Neolithic situation characterised by the appearance of complexes like Michelsberg and Funnel Beaker Culture."



    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0105105
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    "Previous mitochondrial DNA analyses on ancient European remains have suggested that the current distribution of haplogroup H was modeled by the expansion of the Bell Beaker culture (ca 4,500–4,050 years BP) out of Iberia during the Chalcolithic period. However, little is known on the genetic composition of contemporaneous Iberian populations that do not carry the archaeological tool kit defining this culture. Here we have retrieved mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences from 19 individuals from a Chalcolithic sample from El Mirador cave in Spain, dated to 4,760–4,200 years BP and we have analyzed the haplogroup composition in the context of modern and ancient populations. Regarding extant African, Asian and European populations, El Mirador shows affinities with Near Eastern groups. In different analyses with other ancient samples, El Mirador clusters with Middle and Late Neolithic populations from Germany, belonging to the Rössen, the Salzmünde and the Baalberge archaeological cultures but not with contemporaneous Bell Beakers. Our analyses support the existence of a common genetic signal between Western and Central Europe during the Middle and Late Neolithic and points to a heterogeneous genetic landscape among Chalcolithic groups."

  • #2
    One is forward orientation value, the other is reverse orientation value. (having TT instead of AA)

    every rsid has two values in respect to DNA double helix times 2 for each chromosome pair (maternal chromosome, paternal chromosome)


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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
      "The Rössen Culture (German: Rössener Kultur) is a Central European culture of the middle Neolithic (4,600–4,300 BC). It is named after the necropolis of Rössen (part of Leuna, in the Saalekreis district, Saxony-Anhalt). The Rössen Culture has been identified in 11 of the 16 states of Germany (it is only absent from the Northern part of the North German Plain), but also in the southeast Low Countries, northeast France, northern Switzerland and a small part of Austria.

      The Rössen culture is important as it marks the transition from a broad and widely distributed tradition going back to Central Europe's earliest Neolithic LBK towards the more diversified Middle and Late Neolithic situation characterised by the appearance of complexes like Michelsberg and Funnel Beaker Culture."



      http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0105105
      Abstract
      "Previous mitochondrial DNA analyses on ancient European remains have suggested that the current distribution of haplogroup H was modeled by the expansion of the Bell Beaker culture (ca 4,500–4,050 years BP) out of Iberia during the Chalcolithic period. However, little is known on the genetic composition of contemporaneous Iberian populations that do not carry the archaeological tool kit defining this culture. Here we have retrieved mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences from 19 individuals from a Chalcolithic sample from El Mirador cave in Spain, dated to 4,760–4,200 years BP and we have analyzed the haplogroup composition in the context of modern and ancient populations. Regarding extant African, Asian and European populations, El Mirador shows affinities with Near Eastern groups. In different analyses with other ancient samples, El Mirador clusters with Middle and Late Neolithic populations from Germany, belonging to the Rössen, the Salzmünde and the Baalberge archaeological cultures but not with contemporaneous Bell Beakers. Our analyses support the existence of a common genetic signal between Western and Central Europe during the Middle and Late Neolithic and points to a heterogeneous genetic landscape among Chalcolithic groups."


      The Rossen Culture preceded the FBC and the FBC preceded the CWC.

      http://www.academia.edu/188147/Corde...MPhil-seminar_

      "Poland, because of its size and differences in data, had been divided in northern Poland(Kujavia and the Rzucewo-r
      In Kujavia, the Funnel Beaker Culture (FBC) and the Globular Amphorae Culture (GAC) preceded the Corded Ware Culture. The chronological development of these two cultures hadonly since the 1990’s been established by C-14 dates (Koskó, 1991). Koskó presents a modelof synchronous development and co-existence of both cultures (1991, 99). He bases his theoryon a wide variety of data, ranging from “… (A) radiocarbon dates, (B) stratigraphicarrangements, (C) instances of coexistence features of both systems and single artefacts, or (D) within object (assemblages), and (E) exogenous features ranked as interculturalsynchronisers.” (Koskó, 1991, 88) The period of co-existence of both cultures is divided in sixstages, which increasing amount of assimilation and integration (as material culture showsaccording to Koskó, 1991). What these changes mean, however, and how these relate to “the peoples behind the pots” is in this case not clear. I think a total reassessment of these culturesand their material assemblages would increase the clarity of this period in cultural history. Theappearance of the Corded Ware Culture in Kujavia is mostly seen as a continuousdevelopment from the Funnel Beaker Culture and the Globular Amphorae Culture onwards.Koskó (1997) sets the first appearance of the Corded Ware Culture in Kujavia at 2600 conv. bc. Furholt (2003) on the other hand, having much more dates available and a much greater scope on the phenomenon of Corded Ware Cultures, sees the Corded Ware Culture emergingfrom 3090-2920 cal. BC (Bln-1812: 4395 +/- 70 BP; Krusza Zamkowa grave 3) onwards. I’minclined to accept the date that Furholt (2003) states, because of the fact that in other regionsthe phenomenon intends to start at 3000 cal. BC as well (see below), and the study by Furholt(2003) is the most recent available, containing the most recently calibrated C-14 dates"

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      • #4
        My comments about semi-advanced science... Had some laughter today

        The guy referenced in the abstract is named Aleksander Kośko, and in the references he is correctly listed as Kośko . There are more typos in the text. I think the author should watch The The Impotence of Proofreading by Taylor Mali daily...

        There is a very good reason why the Kujavia (Kujawy region) was so thoroughly explored . The pipeline from Siberia to Western Europe goes through there .

        Most importantly, as we are all aware****, the material culture and populations do not need to correlate. Until ancient DNA analysis is performed, we just do not know (speculations are not the knowledge).

        W.

        **** Today, when looking at let's say the USA, people are driving similar cars, eat similar foods, wear similar clothing, etc.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dna View Post
          My comments about semi-advanced science... Had some laughter today

          The guy referenced in the abstract is named Aleksander Kośko, and in the references he is correctly listed as Kośko . There are more typos in the text. I think the author should watch The The Impotence of Proofreading by Taylor Mali daily...

          There is a very good reason why the Kujavia (Kujawy region) was so thoroughly explored . The pipeline from Siberia to Western Europe goes through there .

          Most importantly, as we are all aware****, the material culture and populations do not need to correlate. Until ancient DNA analysis is performed, we just do not know (speculations are not the knowledge).

          W.

          **** Today, when looking at let's say the USA, people are driving similar cars, eat similar foods, wear similar clothing, etc.
          You could write and let the "Bell Beaker equals L21" dreamers know the truth then.
          The FBC buried their dead in Dolmens and Passage tombs similar to those in Ireland. So you don't think that there was a link there,it was just coincidental?
          Last edited by 1798; 20 November 2014, 01:41 AM.

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          • #6
            No, I will keep quiet

            Some people live to speculate. There is nothing wrong with that (helps with imagination). However, one needs to clearly differentiate between an unsubstantiated hypothesis (speculation) and a theory in agreement with all the relevant data (and data is available...). Some speculations become theories, and some just die off...

            Thanks to DNA testing, taxonomy is being written almost anew in most (all?) the kingdoms. Possibly in only ten years, testing of ancient DNA would rewrite our textbooks on ancient human populations. I am willing to wait and see, and concentrate my interests on something else in the meantime.

            W.

            P.S.
            I never met Mr. Aleksander Kośko, but I knew about his publications, so that is why I reacted today to some guy misspelling his name.

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