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  • Lichtenstein Cave

    http://dirkschweitzer.net/Lichtenste...ysis0804DS.pdf

  • #2
    Are you reviving discussion from a previous thread?:

    http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=33648

    I only ask as D.Clade had posted this link previously: http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...42&postcount=9

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    • #3
      Originally posted by N21163 View Post
      Are you reviving discussion from a previous thread?:

      http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=33648

      I only ask as D.Clade had posted this link previously: http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...42&postcount=9
      If I had seen his post I wouldn't have posted this.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 1798 View Post
        If I had seen his post I wouldn't have posted this.
        You responded to his post...

        http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...3&postcount=10

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        • #5
          Originally posted by N21163 View Post
          So you are stalking me now.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 1798 View Post
            So you are stalking me now.
            Hahaha don't flatter yourself.

            I read through those posts and yours was the next one after D.Clade

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            • #7
              Originally posted by N21163 View Post
              Hahaha don't flatter yourself.

              I read through those posts and yours was the next one after D.Clade
              I didn't know that you were interested in I2b,R1a and L48.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                I didn't know that you were interested in I2b,R1a and L48.
                There is the saying "you learn something new everyday!"
                We're all interested in a great many things.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by N21163 View Post
                  There is the saying "you learn something new everyday!"
                  We're all interested in a great many things.
                  I thought that you said that you were L21.

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                  • #10
                    "The Urnfield culture grew from the preceding tumulus culture.[1] The transition is gradual, in the pottery as well as the burial rites.[1] In some parts of Germany, cremation and inhumation existed simultaneously (facies Wölfersheim). Some graves contain a combination of tumulus-culture pottery and Urnfield swords (Kressborn, Bodenseekreis) or tumulus culture incised pottery together with early Urnfield types (Mengen). In the North, the Urnfield culture was only adopted in the HaA2 period. 16 pins deposited in a swamp in Ellmoosen (Kr. Bad Aibling, Germany) cover the whole chronological range from Bronze B to the early Urnfield period (Ha A). This demonstrates a considerable ritual continuity. In the Loire, Seine and Rhône, certain fords contain deposits from the late Neolithic onwards up to the Urnfield period.

                    The origins of the cremation rite are commonly believed to be in Hungary, where it was widespread since the first half of the 2nd millennium BC.[3] The neolithic Cucuteni-Trypillian culture of modern-day northeastern Romania and Ukraine were also practicing cremation rituals as early as approximately 5,500 BC. Some cremations begin to be found in the Proto-Lusatian and Trzciniec culture."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                      I thought that you said that you were L21.
                      I am L21. I am also interested in other haplogroups.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by N21163 View Post
                        I am L21. I am also interested in other haplogroups.

                        Who were the Caledonians?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                          Who were the Caledonians?
                          Collective name given to the tribes of people who occupied what is now Scotland during the Iron Age and eras of Roman occupation in Britain.

                          But you knew this already.

                          Did you want to discuss something about these people?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by N21163 View Post
                            Collective name given to the tribes of people who occupied what is now Scotland during the Iron Age and eras of Roman occupation in Britain.

                            But you knew this already.

                            Did you want to discuss something about these people?
                            Which haplogroups do the indigenous Scots belong to? The Caledonians are supposed to be among the indigenous peoples of Scotland.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 1798 View Post
                              Which haplogroups do the indigenous Scots belong to? The Caledonians are supposed to be among the indigenous peoples of Scotland.
                              Apart from Alastair Moffat and James Wilson's claim that R1b-S530 (L1335) is a Pictish marker: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/BritainsDN...roup_nicknames
                              I have not come across any studies that state the haplogroups of the ancient Picts/Caledonians.

                              My speculation would be, as with other groups, that they were made up of a multitude of haplogroups. There may have been higher representation of some haplogroups over others.

                              Discussing general haplogroups would be fine, but I would prefer to discuss analyis regarding specific SNPs in Y-DNA haplogroups.

                              Have you come across any of these studies?

                              Regarding mtDNA
                              Hanna et al (2012) "Ancient DNA typing shows that a Bronze Age mummy is a composite of different skeletons" discussed mummified bodies found at Cladh Hallan and identified general mtDNA haplogroups from the bodies as U5, T1a and an "unknown" haplogroup.

                              The final haplogroup was not identified in the study, however..

                              "three different polymorphisms: C16173T, A16225T and C16270G. The first and third of these have been found in the modern human population, though never in combination, and A16225T has never been observed."

                              I have noted that C16173T and C16270G are found in subclades of mtDNA haplogroup N:

                              https://www.familytreedna.com/public...tion=mtresults

                              http://www.phylotree.org/tree/subtree_N.htm

                              From the Hanna et al study:

                              "The best estimate for dating the assembling of the composite male is 1440–1260 cal BC (at 95% probability), so it was probably buried some time before the roundhouses were built. Two dates from the female skeleton, combined as 1300–1130 cal BC (3025 ± 55 b.p. & 2950 ± 35 b.p.; GU-9839 & GU-10489), are also earlier than the date of roundhouse construction."

                              These skeletons were also reported to be constructed of a number of individuals.

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