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MjaMahe: You have a great sense of humor. LOLLast edited by Biblioteque; 29 April 2014, 01:55 PM.
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Doggerland Dude
LOL, about, or with, his great sense of humor. Just a more rhetoric, than reason comment. Lighten up......... Have you started writing your book? What are the possible titles?Last edited by Biblioteque; 29 April 2014, 05:23 PM.
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Originally posted by 1798 View PostLOL about what? The first R1b man entered western Europe 4000 ybp LOL.
You are attempting to "LOL" about a straw man, since no one is claiming "[t]he first R1b man entered western Europe 4000 ybp".
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The current thinking on R1b in Europe, meaning, really, R-L11 (P311), is summarized best in this quote from Dr. Hammer's slide show at the recent FTDNA conference:
Originally posted by Dr. HammerCombined evidence supports [the] hypothesis that the current
distribution of the R-P311 lineage is the result of major
population movements occurring after the Neolithic agricultural transition.
Populations carrying R-P311 chromosomes appear to have
nearly displaced western European Neolithic Y
chromosomes.
Here is a link to Dr. Hammer's slide show.
Dr. Hammer's 2013 Slide Show
"[A]fter the Neolithic agricultural transition" means anything from the Late Neolithic through the Copper Age (Chalcolithic Period) or perhaps the early Bronze Age.Last edited by Stevo; 30 April 2014, 06:58 AM.
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Originally posted by Stevo View PostThe current thinking on R1b in Europe, meaning, really, R-L11 (P311), is summarized best in this quote from Dr. Hammer's slide show at the recent FTDNA conference:
Note that Dr. Hammer did not say "4000 ybp", which would have been well into the Bronze Age and over half a millennium younger than the two R1b Beaker Folk men from Kromsdorf, Germany.
Here is a link to Dr. Hammer's slide show.
Dr. Hammer's 2013 Slide Show
"[A]fter the Neolithic agricultural transition" means anything from the Late Neolithic through the Copper Age (Chalcolithic Period) or perhaps the early Bronze Age.
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Originally posted by 1798 View PostThe early Bronze-Age age is 4,500 and it doesn't seem possible that L11 was born that recent. It doesn't make sense either. The branch that I belong to is estimated to be as old or even older than 4,500.
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Originally posted by 1798 View PostR1b could have survived in small pockets during the European Mesolithic and then mushroomed with the coming of the Neolithic.
Any models or evidence to support such ideas?
Or is this an idea that you have conjured up?
Legitimate question, did you read the whole post and read through Dr Hammer's slide show that Stevo was talking about?
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Originally posted by N21163 View PostHave there been studies into the possibility of this happening?
Any models or evidence to support such ideas?
Or is this an idea that you have conjured up?
Legitimate question, did you read the whole post and read through Dr Hammer's slide show that Stevo was talking about?
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Originally posted by 1798 View PostI did read it but it doesn't look much different to what is found at the rubbish site Eupedia.
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Originally posted by 1798 View PostR1b could have survived in small pockets during the European Mesolithic and then mushroomed with the coming of the Neolithic.
Had R1b been around western Europe during the Mesolithic only to expand in the Neolithic, it should be turning up in Mesolithic and Neolithic sites, but it is not.
And its modern haplotypes, if they are that old in western Europe, should be much more diverse than they are.Last edited by Stevo; 1 May 2014, 07:04 AM.
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