Doggerland

[Stevo]

I don't think L21 arose further east than Central Europe, but the Beaker Folk have a pretty obvious connection to the Pontic steppe via their characteristic bell-shaped Beaker pottery and their horse-riding, pastoralist lifestyle. There probably is also a connection between the Kemi Oba culture of Crimea and the Stelae People. The latter appear to have spread from the north shore of the Black Sea across Europe all the way to Iberia and Brittany.

So, whether or not L21 itself arose in Eastern Europe, which I doubt, P312 or perhaps L11 may have arisen there, and both of those are ancestral to L21.

[1798]

I don't think L21 arose further east than Central Europe, but the Beaker Folk have a pretty obvious connection to the Pontic steppe via their characteristic bell-shaped Beaker pottery and their horse-riding, pastoralist lifestyle. There probably is also a connection between the Kemi Oba culture of Crimea and the Stelae People. The latter appear to have spread from the north shore of the Black Sea across Europe all the way to Iberia and Brittany.

So, whether or not L21 itself arose in Eastern Europe, which I doubt, P312 or perhaps L11 may have arisen there, and both of those are ancestral to L21.

The Beaker pottery spread throughout Europe. There was no Beaker people as such. That is a myth.
If someone in any country today invents a new gadget the whole population doesn't move with it to another country to show them how to use it.

[T E Peterman]

Ciaran Boylan??

[T E Peterman]

1798: If you are who I think you are, you share matches with my father & his brother Paul, as well as my second cousin, Karen Maupin. This means that we connect through my grandfather, Joe Peterman Jr. There is NO Coffey ancestry on this side of my family.

Joe Peterman Jr. was 1/2 Swiss & the source of my R1b L20* ancestry (nested under U152*) & no doubt of LaTene Celt ancestry. What about the other half? His mother was a blend of Lowland Scots, English & a wee bit of Irish, all of whom moved into Virginia & North Carolina during the 1700s. The Lowland Scot surnames include: Eagleton, Montgomery, Porter, Walker; all were Presbyterian & all or most lived in Ulster before coming to America. The English surnames include Bauguess/ Boggess, Cox, Bennett, Sparks, Buttery, Thompson, Sample, Davis. The wee bit of Irish is simply the McCarty surname.

Joe Peterman Jr.'s great grandfather, Henry Bauguess, was the son of Richard Bauguess & Nancy (McCarty) Bauguess. Nancy is reported to have been Irish; she married Richard Bauguess in Loudoun Co., VA & was likely the sister of Bryan or Bryant McCarty.

Do you recognize any of these surnames?

Timothy Peterman

[Stevo]

The Beaker pottery spread throughout Europe. There was no Beaker people as such. That is a myth.
If someone in any country today invents a new gadget the whole population doesn't move with it to another country to show them how to use it.

You do not know what you are talking about, and we are not discussing modern people and their "gadgets".

The Beaker Folk were a people characterized by an identifiable package of practices, burial goods, and, in the case of the males especially, anthropological characteristics.

I could suggest a reading list for you, but you have already said you are happiest when left to your own opinions, untroubled by information.

[N21163]

Ciaran Boylan??

[1798]

1798: If you are who I think you are, you share matches with my father & his brother Paul, as well as my second cousin, Karen Maupin. This means that we connect through my grandfather, Joe Peterman Jr. There is NO Coffey ancestry on this side of my family.

Joe Peterman Jr. was 1/2 Swiss & the source of my R1b L20* ancestry (nested under U152*) & no doubt of LaTene Celt ancestry. What about the other half? His mother was a blend of Lowland Scots, English & a wee bit of Irish, all of whom moved into Virginia & North Carolina during the 1700s. The Lowland Scot surnames include: Eagleton, Montgomery, Porter, Walker; all were Presbyterian & all or most lived in Ulster before coming to America. The English surnames include Bauguess/ Boggess, Cox, Bennett, Sparks, Buttery, Thompson, Sample, Davis. The wee bit of Irish is simply the McCarty surname.

Joe Peterman Jr.'s great grandfather, Henry Bauguess, was the son of Richard Bauguess & Nancy (McCarty) Bauguess. Nancy is reported to have been Irish; she married Richard Bauguess in Loudoun Co., VA & was likely the sister of Bryan or Bryant McCarty.

Do you recognize any of these surnames?

Timothy Peterman

I don't recognize any of the names and the other 509 FF matches I can't make a connection to them either.

[N21163]

I don't recognize any of the names and the other 509 FF matches I can't make a connection to them either.

Problems faced with paper trails I guess.
Many are not comprehensive enough to make connections or have errors on any number of sides.

[T E Peterman]

Chances are, if I knew the next couple of generations before Nancy McCarty, we would see a connection.

Timothy Peterman

[1798]

Chances are, if I knew the next couple of generations before Nancy McCarty, we would see a connection.

Timothy Peterman

I match three of your people on chromosome 17.I was surprised at the amount of matches I had from the FF test. A lot of my matches are Americans so they must be from the people who left during the famine.
I hope that they publish the new PF soon.

[N21163]

Chances are, if I knew the next couple of generations before Nancy McCarty, we would see a connection.

Timothy Peterman

It certainly would make a difference. I am currently missing the names of 2 out of my 32 3x Great Grandparents and missing the names of 16 out of my 64 4x Great Grandparents.
That's assuming my current information is even correct...

[1798]

1798: If you are who I think you are, you share matches with my father & his brother Paul, as well as my second cousin, Karen Maupin. This means that we connect through my grandfather, Joe Peterman Jr. There is NO Coffey ancestry on this side of my family.

Joe Peterman Jr. was 1/2 Swiss & the source of my R1b L20* ancestry (nested under U152*) & no doubt of LaTene Celt ancestry. What about the other half? His mother was a blend of Lowland Scots, English & a wee bit of Irish, all of whom moved into Virginia & North Carolina during the 1700s. The Lowland Scot surnames include: Eagleton, Montgomery, Porter, Walker; all were Presbyterian & all or most lived in Ulster before coming to America. The English surnames include Bauguess/ Boggess, Cox, Bennett, Sparks, Buttery, Thompson, Sample, Davis. The wee bit of Irish is simply the McCarty surname.

Joe Peterman Jr.'s great grandfather, Henry Bauguess, was the son of Richard Bauguess & Nancy (McCarty) Bauguess. Nancy is reported to have been Irish; she married Richard Bauguess in Loudoun Co., VA & was likely the sister of Bryan or Bryant McCarty.

Do you recognize any of these surnames?

Timothy Peterman

The name MacCarty doesn't exist in Ireland.It is O'Carty or MacCarthy and they are two different clans.I am closer to your second cousin because we share more segments.

[N21163]

The name MacCarty doesn't exist in Ireland.It is O'Carty or MacCarthy and they are two different clans.I am closer to your second cousin because we share more segments.

No possibility of different name spellings along the way? My last name is Yuill...go back a few generations in Scotland and it's spelt Yuille, Zuille, Zuill, Yuil, Zuil (and numerous other variants) depending on who wrote it down.
It's entirely possible his MacCarty connection is a MacCarthy

[Biblioteque]

Yes, the way name changes evolve is fascinating. The surname Coffey as 1798 previously mentioned, seems to have been OCobbthaigh or Scoffin circa 1500s in County Ulster, Ireland.

[1798]

No possibility of different name spellings along the way? My last name is Yuill...go back a few generations in Scotland and it's spelt Yuille, Zuille, Zuill, Yuil, Zuil (and numerous other variants) depending on who wrote it down.
It's entirely possible his MacCarty connection is a MacCarthy

I didn't mean that.The name probably is MacCarthy but when the young woman arrived in America her name was spelt the way it sounded.There is the name O'Carty which may have been written as Mc Carty. They were two different clans but it doesn't really matter as she was definitely Irish.
Most of my ancestors names were spelt in different ways on their birth and marriage certs as well.