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  • DADIG
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    mtDNA FULL sequence + Family Finder - set to weekly notifications

    Responses to ltd-jean-pull at the end of this:

    Contact emails to Familytreedna are not replied to.. rather an automated "please go to form and indicate what the issue is" which will "aid in responding in a speedy fashion" paraphrased tripe. BUT still no answers and STILL showing "pending" results.

    Instead one is directed to "Forums" where everyone has an opinion and we all know what opinions are.

    [QUOTE]1. Added tests that were paid for and "Batched" April 24, 2017 are STILL "Pending" (ONE for kit # 362359)as of June 30, 2017.

    2. Vitagene which has turned out to be a rather interesting in the attempts to sell PRIOR to "Pending" results for Kit #315928 as of July 07, 2017 and was added to said Kit on April 25, 2017. [/QUOTE}

    1. In my mother's kit account Family Finder results:
    (a) With my half sister "in common with" = 559 results (52 maternal)of which 7 (seven) were known to me as persons who were related via paper trail and personal meetings.
    (b) with myself "In common with" = 351 (28 maternal)of which 7 (seven) were known to me as persons who were related via paper trail and personal meetings.
    (c) with my daughter "In common with" = 193 (22 maternal)of which 4 (four) were known to me as persons who were related via paper trail and personal meetings.

    2. In my kit via Family Finder:

    (a) my daughter shows "in common with" me via Family Finder: 381 matches (258 maternal) of which 5 (five) are known to me as persons who were/are related via paper trail and personal meetings.

    Father unknown/presumed for me. Again, I wasn't there so even the lifetime of being blamed for mother's choices THAT weren't my fault and never were.
    Presumed father of 1/2 sister is very mixed: Norwegian, French, Scot, Indigenous of North America. He is deceased in 2008. No direct yDNA to test in that line. Two possible paternal matches were found July 02, 2017. One of whom I have colluded with regarding paper trail research


    mtDNA Full Sequence results are exactly the same for all 7 kits who were already known to me (see 1 (a). Of the two other kits of persons known to me they have yet to reach that depth of testing; however they are on our HVR1 kits with very few variations. In fact, both of the persons who send out emails (One is my mother's 1st cousin's youngest son.. 1st cousin once removed to me)a disappointing low percentage of emails are responded to, in fact, most provided email addresses bounce.

    In total I now access 11 kits. My 1/2 sister's "presumed" Aunt's Family Finder DNA is now on file.

    As a counterpoint: 2 kits that have absolutely no DNA shared with the other kits, as yet. Now those are interesting.

    1.
    (a) Eldest biological son "In common with" his living mother: 439 (matches) of 1,632.

    (b) Same son "In common with" a paper trail cousin (long tim researcher on Vancouver Island) 15 (matches)

    2. mtDNA matches:

    HVR1, HVR2, Coding Regions - 314 Matches mtDNA haplogroup: H2a2a1

    Which answers your questions, but not mine as kits are STILL showing "Pending" or in the case of one another kit showed up in the mail when a donation was already processed in 2014. Could it be that Family Tree DNA does NOT keep the donations on file for further testing in the future. This could prove very frustrating for those of us with aging family members.

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  • ltd-jean-pull
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    What is your father's ethnicity and your half-sister's father's ethnicity?

    With the FamilyFinder test how many in-common-withs do you have with your mother?

    With the FamilyFinder test how many ICWs does your half sister have with your mother?

    With the FamilyFinder test how many ICWs does your daughter share with you?

    I manage the kits of two full siblings. One has over 2100 matches and the other has 1700, so if full-siblings can vary by that much half-siblings could vary even more, especially if the father of one of them is from a population that hasn't tested many people.

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  • DADIG
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    Major beefs. Inconsistency in "service" and results

    This is becoming secondary as:

    1. Added tests that were paid for and "Batched" April 24, 2017 are STILL "Pending" (ONE for kit # 362359)as of June 30, 2017.

    2. Vitagene which has turned out to be a rather interesting in the attempts to sell PRIOR to "Pending" results for Kit #315928 as of June 30, 2017 and was added to said Kit on April 25, 2017.

    Believe me, I "get" that certain companies view clients as endless cash cows this is frosting my toes through my ears with irritation.

    3. One kit that I had sent with tracking (advise ALL to do the same. Every. Time.) as after several months that kit shown as "not received". Until I posted publicly on Social Media I was still getting "We haven't received it." quite magically it appeared within 15 minutes of reporting to them to seek out my FB page where I had posted my negative experience coupled with "We'll send another kit" for an uncle who was in hospice.

    OTH, my daughter's kit was shipped, received, donation collected, shipped back via international mail with tracking and processed to Family Finder batched/displayed 06/05/2014 mailed and displayed by 08/07/2014 with full sequence mtDNA displayed by 09/25/2014.

    Inconsistent processing as well as unreliable shipping/receiving; however, payment is processed immediately.

    4. All four of the individual tests were done via FTDNA. All four individual tests have the exact same settings in every area of profiles each and every one of four tests other than the name of each person to differentiate one from the other.

    One test has decidedly less matches/prospective relatives in comparison.

    I'm not a statistician. However, given that we are all descended from one female whose results are 1,329 (at this moment)(mother of two/grandmother to one donor), my results (at this moment) 839, my half sister (this was a surprise that we have different fathers and yet not knowing.. some things)(at this moment) 1,358; my daughter (at this moment) 1,455 matches via Family Finder. <<<<< I "get" that recombination would morph the matches over time which accounts for differences of 10%; however, 50% + difference in matches.

    All done through the same company (FamilyTreeDNA), "Yes" selected for ALL the Family Finder matches settings in account setting of EACH and EVERY one of the TWELVE kit numbers/accounts I access.



    Originally posted by travers View Post
    I'm guessing you are trying to say you and 3 other family members have taken the Family Finder test and your test has less than 100 matches where the other 3 family members have thousands of matches. Are any of the kits transfers from another company or were they all tested through Family Tree DNA? If they were all tested here check the settings on your kit in the "Match and Email Settings" for your kit. Most people don't realize when they click the boxes not to receive emails for certain categories of matches they are actually eliminating those matches from being displayed. So make sure you have "Yes" selected for ALL the Family Finder matches settings there in your account settings.

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  • travers
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    I reread the posts and I am totally confused as they say they have 700's of matches where before they said they have less than 100. So disregard what I said before. Contact customer service as I don't think we can help you as you are mixing up different tests and terms and you are having a hard time explaining your problem. As we cannot see your account the forum will have a hard time helping you.

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  • travers
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    Originally posted by KATM View Post
    It appears that you did check the settings of the low-matching kit, as high734 suggested back in March, because you refer to speculative matches for the low-matching kit of the eldest daughter, which is you.

    For Family Finder results, you get 50% of your DNA from your mother, and 50% from your father. Saying that you are all from the "same ancestress" means that each generation gets less DNA from that particular ancestress in Family Finder. If you are talking about how you, your daughter and your sister are all descended from your mother, then check these charts to see how much average DNA would be passed to children and grandchildren: ISOGG's Autosomal DNA statistics. Blaine Bettinger's Shared cM Project Update shows the ranges of the amount of cM shared. Basically, you and your sister each got 50% of your DNA from your mother (but usually not the same 50%); the other 50% came from your father (if you and your sister both have the same father). Your daughter will have 25% of your mother's DNA.

    I'm going to ask a lot of questions, which I've put in bold below so they don't get lost. I hope you will answer them so you can get more feedback.

    If your kit has all the same settings as the others, set to allow matches at each level (Immediate, Close, Distant and Speculative), then there has to be another explanation. How does your kit match to the others? Does it show the expected relationship to your sister and your mother in Family Finder? What are the amounts of total cM shared with each?

    You mentioned in your first post that you have access to "9+ kits." Are the other five kits for other confirmed relatives, who have done the Family Finder test? If so, can you compare the relationships for you, your sister, your mother, and your daughter to them? Do these comparisons all show the expected relationships?

    In February you said that your kit got 77 matches, compared to the others, which each got "over a thousand." Now in June you said that your kit has in the 700s for matches, and the others have 11,000 matches. Then you say the other three kits get "50% more matches." 11,000 is a lot more than 50% more of 700; it's about 15 times as many. Did the kits all get that many more matches between February and June of 2017? Your kit went from 77 to 700, and the other kits went from over a thousand to 11,000 each? Sorry, but it's a bit confusing. We're all just trying to follow what you are saying.

    Your first post said "My daughter, my sister, my mother and myself all had mtDNA Full Sequence done." You should all have the same haplogroup, perhaps with some mutation differences, but otherwise the same haplogroup. Is that the case?

    Darren sent you a message in March; did that help with anything?
    Just because they mention the word speculative doesn't mean they actually checked their settings. You can sort the Family Finder lists by the various categories close, immediate, speculative etc. It sounds to me like a settings issue if there is a large discrepancy on the number of matches especially if her sister has tested and there is a large discrepancy there in the numbers (assuming they are full siblings). The mtdna references I assume is just a misunderstanding as they probably believe the mtdna is on the X chromosome which is not correct. If all kits were tested at FTDNA and not transfers and all were tested with Family Finder I would check the settings of the kit with the low number of matches to make sure the settings are set to show all the matches. If it is then contact customer service and they would have access to your kit to be able to see what is going on.

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  • KATM
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    Originally posted by DADIG View Post
    Four persons, all descended from one of the four.

    Family Finder results are in the 700s including speculative.

    OTH, the other three kits get 11,000+ hits/matches via family finder compared to the eldest daughter. All are XX.

    The other three kits have 50% more matches. Every. One. Of. Them.

    Too much of a difference for granmother, mother, sister of mother, and mother's daughter. All from one shared ancestress is not statistically likely. Ever
    It appears that you did check the settings of the low-matching kit, as high734 suggested back in March, because you refer to speculative matches for the low-matching kit of the eldest daughter, which is you.

    For Family Finder results, you get 50% of your DNA from your mother, and 50% from your father. Saying that you are all from the "same ancestress" means that each generation gets less DNA from that particular ancestress in Family Finder. If you are talking about how you, your daughter and your sister are all descended from your mother, then check these charts to see how much average DNA would be passed to children and grandchildren: ISOGG's Autosomal DNA statistics. Blaine Bettinger's Shared cM Project Update shows the ranges of the amount of cM shared. Basically, you and your sister each got 50% of your DNA from your mother (but usually not the same 50%); the other 50% came from your father (if you and your sister both have the same father). Your daughter will have 25% of your mother's DNA.

    I'm going to ask a lot of questions, which I've put in bold below so they don't get lost. I hope you will answer them so you can get more feedback.

    If your kit has all the same settings as the others, set to allow matches at each level (Immediate, Close, Distant and Speculative), then there has to be another explanation. How does your kit match to the others? Does it show the expected relationship to your sister and your mother in Family Finder? What are the amounts of total cM shared with each?

    You mentioned in your first post that you have access to "9+ kits." Are the other five kits for other confirmed relatives, who have done the Family Finder test? If so, can you compare the relationships for you, your sister, your mother, and your daughter to them? Do these comparisons all show the expected relationships?

    In February you said that your kit got 77 matches, compared to the others, which each got "over a thousand." Now in June you said that your kit has in the 700s for matches, and the others have 11,000 matches. Then you say the other three kits get "50% more matches." 11,000 is a lot more than 50% more of 700; it's about 15 times as many. Did the kits all get that many more matches between February and June of 2017? Your kit went from 77 to 700, and the other kits went from over a thousand to 11,000 each? Sorry, but it's a bit confusing. We're all just trying to follow what you are saying.

    Your first post said "My daughter, my sister, my mother and myself all had mtDNA Full Sequence done." You should all have the same haplogroup, perhaps with some mutation differences, but otherwise the same haplogroup. Is that the case?

    Darren sent you a message in March; did that help with anything?

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  • travers
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    Originally posted by DADIG View Post
    Four persons, all descended from one of the four.

    Family Finder results are in the 700s including speculative.

    OTH, the other three kits get 11,000+ hits/matches via family finder compared to the eldest daughter. All are XX.

    The other three kits have 50% more matches. Every. One. Of. Them.

    Too much of a difference for granmother, mother, sister of mother, and mother's daughter. All from one shared ancestress is not statistically likely. Ever
    I'm guessing you are trying to say you and 3 other family members have taken the Family Finder test and your test has less than 100 matches where the other 3 family members have thousands of matches. Are any of the kits transfers from another company or were they all tested through Family Tree DNA? If they were all tested here check the settings on your kit in the "Match and Email Settings" for your kit. Most people don't realize when they click the boxes not to receive emails for certain categories of matches they are actually eliminating those matches from being displayed. So make sure you have "Yes" selected for ALL the Family Finder matches settings there in your account settings.

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  • ltd-jean-pull
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    Originally posted by DADIG View Post

    Too much of a difference for granmother, mother, sister of mother, and mother's daughter. All from one shared ancestress is not statistically likely. Ever
    People have tried to help you, but so far your questions don't make any sense.

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  • DADIG
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    Originally posted by jsarnacki View Post
    I think we are confused due to the wording of your post. You said you bought mtDNA kits, BUT... when referencing YOUR kit you have now said twice that you had 77 FF and then less than 100 FF matches. When you type FF, we all think you are referring to the Family Finder test which is NOT the mtDNA. We want to make sure you are not comparing their mtDNA results to your FF results by mistake. If your "FF" is intended to reference FamilyTreeDNA as opposed to the Family Finder test, then I would suggest typing FTDNA. Otherwise, you need to be referring to all kits as mtDNA if that is what they all are. If you are truly comparing mtDNA results to FF results, then you are comparing apples to oranges and the results of both test will be different. Most of the people in this forum want to be helpful. Anyhow... I hope you clear up the confusion. I am guessing Darren may have been helpful.
    Four persons, all descended from one of the four.

    Family Finder results are in the 700s including speculative.

    OTH, the other three kits get 11,000+ hits/matches via family finder compared to the eldest daughter. All are XX.

    The other three kits have 50% more matches. Every. One. Of. Them.

    Too much of a difference for granmother, mother, sister of mother, and mother's daughter. All from one shared ancestress is not statistically likely. Ever

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  • jsarnacki
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    Originally posted by DADIG View Post
    I quite understand and the fact is that ALL four of us had the same level of testing and there is less than a 100 FF matches for my test results compared to over a thousand for each of the others.


    You do understand that there's an issue that needs to be addressed which is why I brought it to the forums.
    I think we are confused due to the wording of your post. You said you bought mtDNA kits, BUT... when referencing YOUR kit you have now said twice that you had 77 FF and then less than 100 FF matches. When you type FF, we all think you are referring to the Family Finder test which is NOT the mtDNA. We want to make sure you are not comparing their mtDNA results to your FF results by mistake. If your "FF" is intended to reference FamilyTreeDNA as opposed to the Family Finder test, then I would suggest typing FTDNA. Otherwise, you need to be referring to all kits as mtDNA if that is what they all are. If you are truly comparing mtDNA results to FF results, then you are comparing apples to oranges and the results of both test will be different. Most of the people in this forum want to be helpful. Anyhow... I hope you clear up the confusion. I am guessing Darren may have been helpful.

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  • Darren
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    DADIG, I responded to your private message.

    -Darren
    Family Tree DNA

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  • DADIG
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    Of course

    Originally posted by ltd-jean-pull View Post
    You mention 77 matches via FF. That is quite different from a mtDNA test.

    Do you understand the difference between the tests you have had done?
    I quite understand and the fact is that ALL four of us had the same level of testing and there is less than a 100 FF matches for my test results compared to over a thousand for each of the others.

    ALL of us had the SAME levels and types of testing.

    If it were possible I'd post am image collage of all FOUR test results for FF & full sequence mtDNA tests that were done.

    You do understand that many persons who put out a rather large chunk of funds would be a tad irate.

    You do understand that there's an issue that needs to be addressed which is why I brought it to the forums.

    Thank you for your input.

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  • high734
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    my response is assuming that all three tests are family finder; based on the difference there is a good chance that your settings for the kit with the low amount of matches is set to exclude speculative matches where as the other 2 kits are set for all matches. Of course if this is actually in reference to mtDNA than ignore

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  • MoberlyDrake
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    Over 1000 matches with Full Sequence mtDNA? My mother has 12 matches.

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  • ltd-jean-pull
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    You mention 77 matches via FF. That is quite different from a mtDNA test.

    Do you understand the difference between the tests you have had done?

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