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  • Originally posted by elhjr32609 View Post
    I've included my old results and below that are my new My Origins along with my mom's and my youngest sisters results.
    I don't understand what happened to my British Isles percentage. My paternal side has been traced to England so I knew it should be high but it actually decreased with the new version. What I am also perplexed by is my mom's side. Her maternal ancestry is Hungarian and her paternal side is British and German. It doesn't appear to be a very high percentage for Eastern European unless they count Hungary as part of Central Europe. We do not have any knows Jewish ancestry and where the Sephardic Jewish ancestry comes from I have no clue whatsoever. Before the new version came out she had no Jewish percentage. Plus neither myself nor my youngest sister show any of this. When looking at my youngest sisters results she barely shows any Eastern European percentage which I find odd as well. It just seems like the newer version is way off from our known ancestry.

    Old My Origins Makeup at FTDNA

    This is my results from MyOrigins
    European 94%
    Western and Central Europe 42 %
    British Isles 36%
    Eastern Europe 9%
    Scandinavia 7%
    Middle Eastern - Asia Minor 4%
    Central/South Asian - Central Asia 1%
    and East Asian - Northeast Asia 1%

    New Ethnic Makeup Percentage
    African0%
    South Central Africa0%
    East Central Africa0%
    West Africa0%
    New World0%
    North and Central America0%
    South America0%
    Central/South Asian0%
    Central Asia< 2%
    Oceania0%
    South Central Asia0%
    East Asian0%
    Northeast Asia< 2%
    Siberia0%
    Southeast Asia< 2%
    Middle Eastern4%
    Asia Minor4%
    East Middle East0%
    North Africa0%
    West Middle East0%
    European93%
    British Isles8%
    East Europe19%
    Finland< 2%
    Scandinavia4%
    Southeast Europe0%
    Iberia0%
    West and Central Europe62%
    Jewish Diaspora0%
    Ashkenazi0%
    Sephardic0%


    My Mom's Ethnic Makeup Percentage
    African0%
    South Central Africa0%
    East Central Africa0%
    West Africa0%
    New World0%
    North and Central America0%
    South America0%
    Central/South Asian0%
    Central Asia0%
    Oceania0%
    South Central Asia0%
    East Asian0%
    Northeast Asia0%
    Siberia< 2%
    Southeast Asia0%
    Middle Eastern3%
    Asia Minor0%
    East Middle East0%
    North Africa0%
    West Middle East3%
    European87%
    British Isles10%
    East Europe8%
    Finland< 2%
    Scandinavia0%
    Southeast Europe0%
    Iberia< 2%
    West and Central Europe69%
    Jewish Diaspora4%
    Ashkenazi0%
    Sephardic4%


    My youngest sisters Ethnic Makeup Percentage
    African0%
    South Central Africa0%
    East Central Africa0%
    West Africa0%
    New World0%
    North and Central America0%
    South America0%
    Central/South Asian0%
    Central Asia0%
    Oceania0%
    South Central Asia0%
    East Asian0%
    Northeast Asia0%
    Siberia0%
    Southeast Asia< 2%
    Middle Eastern0%
    Asia Minor< 2%
    East Middle East< 2%
    North Africa0%
    West Middle East0%
    European92%
    British Isles17%
    East Europe< 2%
    Finland0%
    Scandinavia0%
    Southeast Europe5%
    Iberia0%
    West and Central Europe70%
    Jewish Diaspora0%
    Ashkenazi0%
    Sephardic0%
    Sephardic is probably from Hungarian ancestry.

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    • I'm confused as to why in all the descriptions of the population groups, Germanic peoples are being referred to as Celtic. I feel like I've seen the phrase Scandinavian Celts and similar too many times in my life now. I think I also saw the Saxons referred to as Celts in one of them. What's up with this?

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      • Ah - somebody's got their thinking cap on!

        Originally posted by LLK View Post
        Does anyone know what historical period is involved with MyOrigins? Is this the result for about 1500 or closer to 1000?
        Thanks, LLK. Good to see that somebody can think beyond the bruised egos. I think you're on the right lines, but I suspect it's more like 2000+ years ago. My paper ancestry tells me that in the last few hundred years I am entirely Southern English, but so what? MyOrigins is attempting to tell me where these people came from before there was any paperwork. I am quite happy to accept that my BI has gone from 60% to 24% and my West & Central Europe has gone from 0% to 50%. By the time it gets to v5 we may be a bit nearer the truth - early days yet.

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        • Originally posted by Sir XII View Post
          Thanks, LLK. Good to see that somebody can think beyond the bruised egos.
          It's not really about bruised egos, Sir XII. It's more a case the results in many cases don't match up with other tests- in my case Ancestry and the variety of tools in Gedmatch, including paper trails. Some explanation of how they arrived at the new results would be welcome.

          I pity the poor customer starting out on their ancestral or DNA using these results, if I was starting out again, this test would have me looking excitedly for some South Eastern and Siberian ancestors-which in my case simply don't exist.

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          • Not about bruised egos

            That is just the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I agree that it is about not aligning with other dna companies results. What the heck would an"ego" have to do with any of this is beyond comprehension! ! Sometimes it is better to think things through before posting. (I guess that must of been my bruised ego speaking).

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            • The FTDNA My Origins area is one that I never really felt was accurate for me and this was true with the earlier version as well as this newer one. I have a well sourced family tree going back 8-12 generations in all branches it shows that I am roughly:

              37.5% British Isles (Mostly British/Irish)
              25% Western European (Belgium/Luxembourg)
              25% Scandinavian (Swedish)
              12.5 Japanese

              I failed to make a screen shot of the old breakdown but saved an image of the map. While I agreed with some of it such as the British Isles and Asian it did not suggest anything from the Benelux region of western Europe and showed Norway and not Sweden.

              Old Results based on the map and my memory:
              88% European (the breakdown included mostly an even split of British Isles and Norway with less than a 3% Eastern European)
              12% East Asian

              Today's results show some changes that are just additional breakdowns but also some that make no sense.

              New Results:
              86% European with a breakdown of 79% British Isles and 7% Finland
              12% Northeast Asian
              <2% East Europe
              <2% Asia Minor

              I am still puzzled at nothing showing from the Benelux region of Western Europe. The old map suggested Norway/Scandinavian and the new one suggests Finland only. The Asian remains unchanged and I don't really consider anything as low as <2% to mean much. It is possible that my Swedish ancestors were originally migrants from Finland. There is a group known as the Forest Finns who left Finland in the 13th-14th centuries and settled in Sweden where they cleared forest for farmland.

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              • New My Origins results

                Originally posted by jbower View Post
                Sephardic is probably from Hungarian ancestry.

                Hi, since this is a very low percentage for my mom that is why I am questioning it. I have traced my mom's Hungarian ancestors to the 1700's and none were Jewish. Also if there was any it would lean more towards Ashkenazic instead of Sephardic in Hungary from what I have learned about it. I am sure there will be changes to the My Origins in the future and the percentages will change once again. I appreciate your reply though.

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                • Originally posted by Chrisinhouston View Post
                  I am still puzzled at nothing showing from the Benelux region of Western Europe..
                  The Low Countries are nearly indistinguishable from Great Britain genetically (Northern Germany is extremely similar also), so it's no surprise British Isles shows up.

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                  • ashkenazi/sephardic mixup

                    While the update now detects my small percentage of Jewish heritage it shows it as Sephardic which i believe is incorrect. Two other DNA tests at 23andme and Ancestry show this as Ashkenazi and my genealogy research backs that up by showing our Jewish ancestors were eastern European, not from the Iberian peninsula. Also, my Jewish heritage comes from my direct maternal line and the haplogroup for that line is N9a3. Research suggests that the reason we have this haplogroup as caucasians (when most people with N9a3 are Asian) is the result of the union of an east Asian woman and an Ashkenazi male.

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                    • "my OLD Origins":
                      Eastern Europe 58%
                      Southern Europe 16%
                      Western & Central Europe 16%
                      Finland & Northern Siberia 6%
                      Asia Minor 3%


                      "my NEW Origins":
                      East Europe 75%
                      Southeast Europe 23%

                      and some trace rubbish.

                      The new numbers make much more sense to me, as my mother is Polish and father is Slovak. There is some "colour" to my father's family, presumably southeastern influence.

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                      • Old MyOrigins:

                        49% Southern European
                        30% Native American
                        11% Northeast Asia
                        6% African (5% West Africa, 1% East Central Africa)
                        5% Central Asia

                        New MyOrigins:

                        46% New World (North & Central America 46%; S. America 3%)
                        32% European (29% Iberian; 3% West & Central Europe)
                        17% Middle Eastern (13% Asia Minor; 4% N. Africa)
                        3% West Africa
                        <2% East Central Africa
                        <2% Siberia

                        ??

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                        • Based on my new and old results above, I conclude that the new "East" European boundary was enlarged, taking former "Western and Central" European area, as well as encompassing geography further north and east. Conversely, I also believe the old "Southern" European boundary was enlarged, at the expense of the former "Eastern" European boundary, to become the new "Southeast" European category.

                          therefore:

                          ...my old 58% "Eastern" expanded to encompass former "Central" geography (+~15%), further expanded to encompass former "Finland and Northern Siberia" geography (+~5%), but also contracted (-~4%) with geography becoming part of the new expanded "Southeast" boundary category.

                          ...my old 16% "Southern" expanded north and east to encompass former "Eastern" geography (+~4%), and further expanded to encompass former "Asia Minor" (Anatolian) geography (~+3%).
                          Kurgan
                          FTDNA Customer
                          Last edited by Kurgan; 7 April 2017, 02:15 PM.

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                          • A bit more accurate...

                            At least the updated version of myOrigins corresponds a bit better with my genealogy research. For example, the original findings showed 10% Scandinavia (I did find at least one generation in Sweden) but 0% British Isles (which kind of freaked me out because I legit thought my maternal grandmother was a completely different person...for about 5 minutes!!!).

                            The only concern I have with the new findings is the trace element of Oceania. Any thoughts?

                            And yes, I understand a lot about ancestry and how places were conquered throughout history. There are several papers about ancestry found in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed. The British DNA papers are of particular interest because it was a pure melting pot

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                            • New My Origins Results

                              I first tested at FTDNA in 2012, so new MyOrigins is my third set of ethnic estimates from FTDNA. None have been been right or useful for genealogy.

                              Old My Origins (Approx.)
                              37% British (way too little)
                              31% Western Europe (little too high)
                              29% Scandinavia (No way)
                              2% Asia Minor
                              1% NO CALL (Should have been African)

                              New My Origins
                              73% West and Central Europe (Huh??)
                              22% British Isles (you've got to be kidding)
                              4% Iberia (reasonable for someone who's primarily Brit/Irish)
                              <2% African (Correct)

                              My Ancestry results for comparison
                              44% Great Britain plus 17% Ireland = 61%
                              27% Europe West
                              5% Iberian Peninsula
                              4% Scandinavia
                              1% African
                              < 1% Finland/Northwest Russia
                              < 1% Middle East

                              I've read all the descriptions of ethnic regions for the New MyOrigins, but what I'm not seeing is a reasonable time frame for these newest results. My "Ancient Origins" results are a nice curiosity bit, but I expected much better for New MyOrigins after waiting so long for this update.
                              B. Gibson
                              FTDNA Customer
                              Last edited by B. Gibson; 7 April 2017, 02:36 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by NCroots View Post
                                The Low Countries are nearly indistinguishable from Great Britain genetically (Northern Germany is extremely similar also), so it's no surprise British Isles shows up.
                                Thanks, then it make more sense.

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