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  • #91
    I am feeling pretty satisfied with the new MyOrigins results. I guess I am in the minority here, but the new MyOrigins ends up mirroring almost exactly all of the calculators I use on Gedmatch.

    When I first used FTDNA several years ago, my results were 88% Orcadian (European) and 12% Middle Eastern.

    When MyOrigins came out, my results switched to 99% European, with 1% unaccounted for. My Middle Eastern totally disappeared.

    MyOrigins 2.0 shows 96% European, with 2% Central/South Asian and 2% Middle Eastern. This is more in line with the calculators at Gedmatch which almost all show me as 2-4% South Asian, with some Middle Eastern. This is the first time that FTDNA has shown the South Asian for me. My European break-down also makes perfect sense to me and also seems to fall in line with the Gedmatch calculators.

    I have finally figured out after several years that the Indian/Middle Eastern mix I have is likely Roma. I have a grandmother who I suspect now was a Roma (gypsy) based on her appearance and where she was from, but she always said she was "Cherokee." Turns out that was not the case, or at least not the full story.

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    • #92
      In addition ,I have three different kit results in the ftdna database and before the update all three had slightly different results. Now all three have virtually the exact same results so the algorithm is behaving more consistently for me as well. Don't know about anyone else out there with multiple kits transferred to ft.

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      • #93
        Nobody seems to have commented on the fact that FTDNA uses "British Isles" as a rather vague ethnic classification. Obviously Scottish, English, Welsh, Irish etc. are relatively recent labels, more geographical and political than ethnic, but DNA research in the Isles has demonstrated real differences in haplogroups in different areas. A variant of Y DNA R1b found mainly in eastern and north-eastern Scotland has been labelled R1b-Pict, as this was the ancient Pictland or "Caledonia". There are noticeable differences from the Dalriadic R1b found in testees from the west of Scotland.

        Many people (including myself) are complaining about unexpected and inexplicable My Origins results. But there are some strange anomalies out there. For instance, I come from a former fishing village on the east coast of Scotland. My paternal grandmother's maiden name was Cunningham. The vast majority of male Scottish Cunninghams who have been tested are the predictable Y DNA R1b, but two male Cunninghams whose ancestors came from my village - one in the States and one in Australia - did the FTDNA test and came up R1a, and not the Scandinavian R1a found in Britain that suggests Viking ancestors, but a sub-type more commonly found in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe. Some things must remain a mystery - we just don't know enough about our distant ancestors' movements.

        Harry

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        • #94
          FTdna NEW My Origins results

          FTdna OLD My Origins:

          – 49% Southern Europe
          – 24% Western and Central Europe
          – 23% British Isles
          – 2% Scandinavia
          – 2% Asia Minor

          FTdna NEW My Origins:

          – 55% West and Central Europe
          – 14% British Isles
          – 12% Southeast Europe
          – 10% Iberia
          – 7% East Europe
          – 2% West Middle East

          Geno 2.0 Next Generation results:

          – 53% Western and Central Europe
          – 47% Southern Europe

          I am a French-speaking Swiss

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          • #95
            Original myOrigins results were 100% European:
            55% British Isles
            22% Western & Central Europe
            12% Southern Europe
            7% Finland & Northern Siberia
            4% Scandinavia

            New results are 95% European
            (ancientOrigins are still 100% European
            13% Metal Age Invader, 43% Farmer, 44% Hunter-Gatherer):
            95% British Isles
            3% Southeast Europe
            Trace Results
            < 2% Finland
            < 2% South Central Asia
            < 2% North and Central America
            < 2% Asia Minor
            < 2% West Middle East

            In comparison, my DNA.Land results:
            66% Northwestern European
            18% Swestern European
            8.9% Northwestern European (6.2% Finnish, 2.7% N Slavic)
            5.2% South/Central European
            2.2% Ambiguous West Eurasian
            (West Eurasian is a very general category containing Arab/Egyptian, Ashkenazi/Levantine, Central Asian, Northeast European, South Asian, South European, Northwest European, Southwestern European and Central Indoeuropean)
            and the Eurogenes Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer Admixture via GEDMatch, the low percentages are a bit similar to the new myOrigins trace results:
            55.51% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
            34.26% Mediterranean Farmer
            5.67% Anatolian Farmer
            2.49% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
            1.10% Middle Eastern Herder
            0.97% South American Hunter Gatherer

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            • #96
              Originally posted by uh…Bob View Post
              Original myOrigins results were 100% European:
              55% British Isles
              22% Western & Central Europe
              12% Southern Europe
              7% Finland & Northern Siberia
              4% Scandinavia

              New results are 95% European
              (ancientOrigins are still 100% European
              13% Metal Age Invader, 43% Farmer, 44% Hunter-Gatherer):
              95% British Isles
              3% Southeast Europe
              Trace Results
              < 2% Finland
              < 2% South Central Asia
              < 2% North and Central America
              < 2% Asia Minor
              < 2% West Middle East

              In comparison, my DNA.Land results:
              66% Northwestern European
              18% Swestern European
              8.9% Northwestern European (6.2% Finnish, 2.7% N Slavic)
              5.2% South/Central European
              2.2% Ambiguous West Eurasian
              (West Eurasian is a very general category containing Arab/Egyptian, Ashkenazi/Levantine, Central Asian, Northeast European, South Asian, South European, Northwest European, Southwestern European and Central Indoeuropean)
              and the Eurogenes Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer Admixture via GEDMatch, the low percentages are a bit similar to the new myOrigins trace results:
              55.51% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
              34.26% Mediterranean Farmer
              5.67% Anatolian Farmer
              2.49% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
              1.10% Middle Eastern Herder
              0.97% South American Hunter Gatherer
              We must be twins Bob because I got the same exact!

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              • #97
                Originally posted by LLK View Post
                Does anyone know what historical period is involved with MyOrigins? Is this the result for about 1500 or closer to 1000?
                Not sure. For us it works perfectly as to place of birth for the last 175 years but then misses all sorts of stuff if you go back any farther.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Longnok View Post

                  As someone who joined this year, FTDNA appears to have very weak business acumen, which is understandable considering several of them come from the university/research and/or bench environment. My observations are based on watching the work dynamics during my wife's 20+ years in biomedical/genetic research at a university level.
                  My experience is that it's usually the marketer/business types who muck it up and not the scientists/engineers/researchers. They are the ones who force this to be and that and go on about how this or that would scare people off.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by daniel View Post
                    How can my solid 2/3 Eastern Europe turn into 2/3 solid British Isles. Makes no sense.
                    Wow, so weird since mostly it has been going the other direction.

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                    • Originally posted by yelenadreams View Post
                      I used to be 100% European with 93% Eastern European and 7% Finnish.

                      Now I am only 93% European with 83% Eastern European, 5% Scandinavian and 7% Southeastern European. Fine except the missing 7% of what used to be European is now just a bunch of BS traces <2% each from bizarre places like North and Central America (impossible), Oceania (impossible), Siberian (possible), Finland (possible but used to be solid 7%) and Central Asia (highly unlikely).

                      I think FTDNA really needs to rethink all this traces BS. I know they qualify it as possible "noise" but that is not helpful at all and they should put it back into the more probable classifications.

                      Very disappointed. Origins need a reboot!!!!
                      It would be common for Russians to start picking up Siberian and Central Asian and so on since they were hit more by Mongol invasions. It would actually be expected that they would score more than trace in many cases but the main category now seems to have subsumbed more of that stuff.

                      Remember Eastern Europe is a huge, huge region and unless you match exactly what it primes in on you should start picking up extra regions, these will be ancient population wide-signals though and not a sign of a some great grandparent (unless you compare to other from your region and see that you get more of something than average).

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                      • Originally posted by patbin View Post
                        FTdna OLD My Origins:

                        – 49% Southern Europe
                        – 24% Western and Central Europe
                        – 23% British Isles
                        – 2% Scandinavia
                        – 2% Asia Minor

                        FTdna NEW My Origins:

                        – 55% West and Central Europe
                        – 14% British Isles
                        – 12% Southeast Europe
                        – 10% Iberia
                        – 7% East Europe
                        – 2% West Middle East

                        Geno 2.0 Next Generation results:

                        – 53% Western and Central Europe
                        – 47% Southern Europe

                        I am a French-speaking Swiss
                        Interesting. Geno 2.0 NG looks the best for you but what is really interesting is that your Geno 2.0 NG does not match your MyOrigins 1.0 as it seems to for everyone else. Did you take Geno 2.0 NG Dec. 2016 or later? It seems that since then, new testers, get new regions and different results (I'd have thought they would be the same as MyOrigins 2.0 but your results don't match that either so maybe the new Geno 2.0 NG stuff is good. If so, I wish they would update Geno 2.0 NG pre-Dec 2016 testers and give us the new results.)

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                        • Old results:
                          Brittish Isles....... 49%
                          Scandinavia.......... 28%
                          West/Central Europe.. 19%

                          New results:
                          Brittish Isles....... 64%
                          East Europe.......... 16%
                          West/Central Europe.. 15%
                          Southeast Europe..... 4%

                          I'm wondering what happened to my Scandinavia? My y-DNA haploground is I-L22 (Nordic), so it doesn't make sense?

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                          • Horrible.
                            Old results: 80% British Isles, 10% Central and West Europe.
                            New results: British isles 28%, Central and West Europe 72%.
                            Known situation: British Isles 87.5 % from a dozen different counties. Central and West Europe 10%, East Europe 2.5%.

                            My brother got similar Old results to mine. His New results are British isles 48%, Central and West Europe 30%, East Europe 3%. So he is different from the real situation (except for East Europe) and now very different from me.

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                            • I believe I've figured it out:

                              They put all the numbers in a jar and then draw 4 or 5 out for each kit. I heard there's a game called bingo that does that.

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                              • Confused with the New My Origins Results

                                I've included my old results and below that are my new My Origins along with my mom's and my youngest sisters results.
                                I don't understand what happened to my British Isles percentage. My paternal side has been traced to England so I knew it should be high but it actually decreased with the new version. What I am also perplexed by is my mom's side. Her maternal ancestry is Hungarian and her paternal side is British and German. It doesn't appear to be a very high percentage for Eastern European unless they count Hungary as part of Central Europe. We do not have any knows Jewish ancestry and where the Sephardic Jewish ancestry comes from I have no clue whatsoever. Before the new version came out she had no Jewish percentage. Plus neither myself nor my youngest sister show any of this. When looking at my youngest sisters results she barely shows any Eastern European percentage which I find odd as well. It just seems like the newer version is way off from our known ancestry.

                                Old My Origins Makeup at FTDNA

                                This is my results from MyOrigins
                                European 94%
                                Western and Central Europe 42 %
                                British Isles 36%
                                Eastern Europe 9%
                                Scandinavia 7%
                                Middle Eastern - Asia Minor 4%
                                Central/South Asian - Central Asia 1%
                                and East Asian - Northeast Asia 1%

                                New Ethnic Makeup Percentage
                                African0%
                                South Central Africa0%
                                East Central Africa0%
                                West Africa0%
                                New World0%
                                North and Central America0%
                                South America0%
                                Central/South Asian0%
                                Central Asia< 2%
                                Oceania0%
                                South Central Asia0%
                                East Asian0%
                                Northeast Asia< 2%
                                Siberia0%
                                Southeast Asia< 2%
                                Middle Eastern4%
                                Asia Minor4%
                                East Middle East0%
                                North Africa0%
                                West Middle East0%
                                European93%
                                British Isles8%
                                East Europe19%
                                Finland< 2%
                                Scandinavia4%
                                Southeast Europe0%
                                Iberia0%
                                West and Central Europe62%
                                Jewish Diaspora0%
                                Ashkenazi0%
                                Sephardic0%


                                My Mom's Ethnic Makeup Percentage
                                African0%
                                South Central Africa0%
                                East Central Africa0%
                                West Africa0%
                                New World0%
                                North and Central America0%
                                South America0%
                                Central/South Asian0%
                                Central Asia0%
                                Oceania0%
                                South Central Asia0%
                                East Asian0%
                                Northeast Asia0%
                                Siberia< 2%
                                Southeast Asia0%
                                Middle Eastern3%
                                Asia Minor0%
                                East Middle East0%
                                North Africa0%
                                West Middle East3%
                                European87%
                                British Isles10%
                                East Europe8%
                                Finland< 2%
                                Scandinavia0%
                                Southeast Europe0%
                                Iberia< 2%
                                West and Central Europe69%
                                Jewish Diaspora4%
                                Ashkenazi0%
                                Sephardic4%


                                My youngest sisters Ethnic Makeup Percentage
                                African0%
                                South Central Africa0%
                                East Central Africa0%
                                West Africa0%
                                New World0%
                                North and Central America0%
                                South America0%
                                Central/South Asian0%
                                Central Asia0%
                                Oceania0%
                                South Central Asia0%
                                East Asian0%
                                Northeast Asia0%
                                Siberia0%
                                Southeast Asia< 2%
                                Middle Eastern0%
                                Asia Minor< 2%
                                East Middle East< 2%
                                North Africa0%
                                West Middle East0%
                                European92%
                                British Isles17%
                                East Europe< 2%
                                Finland0%
                                Scandinavia0%
                                Southeast Europe5%
                                Iberia0%
                                West and Central Europe70%
                                Jewish Diaspora0%
                                Ashkenazi0%
                                Sephardic0%

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