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  • #16
    Is there any evidence (by comparing FTDNA AncientOrigins results with GEDmatch results) or documentation from FTDNA to demonstrate that these two web sites are using the same matching algorithm for ancient DNA? I agree that they are probably using the same DNA data for the ancient specimens.

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    • #17
      Ancient Origins - some Italian results

      Mother (Italian - Campania)
      17 MA Inv, 67 Farm, 17 H/G

      Father (Italian - Sicily, Basilicata, Puglia, Friuli Venezia Giulia)
      20 MA Inv, 60 Farm, 20 H/G

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      • #18
        My father's ancientOrigins is apparently pending. Anyone else?

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        • #19
          Ancient Origins

          I do not know if they use the same algorithms, but ancient DNA is quite rare, so I think they all use the same. Gedmatch uses around 40-50, may be FTDNA all existing. I think that there are around 100 samples, covering some countries in the world.

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          • #20
            My husband and my mother in law are both Vietnamese.

            The Ancient Origin Shows 100% Non-European for my husband, but it shows 97% Non-European and 3% Metal Age Invader for my mother in law. As far as we know, there are no Europeans in her family history. Interesting.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Tammy2016 View Post
              My husband and my mother in law are both Vietnamese.

              The Ancient Origin Shows 100% Non-European for my husband, but it shows 97% Non-European and 3% Metal Age Invader for my mother in law. As far as we know, there are no Europeans in her family history. Interesting.
              You forgot that's "Ancient Origins", so it went back thousands of years before. The Metal Age Invader refer to Yamnaya/Bronze Age Eurasian Steppe immigration. Every southeast asian should get that component. So it's normal for southeast asian people to get very small percentage of The Metal Age Invader (of course I meant "FTDNA The Ancient Origins Version"). The range will be varied from 3%-7%.
              Parameswara
              FTDNA Customer
              Last edited by Parameswara; 20 November 2016, 07:58 AM.

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              • #22
                yes and Baltic people big big time as here are Latvian results:

                my mom:
                56% Hunter-Gatherer
                29% Farmer
                15% Metal Age Invader
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                my dad:
                55% Hunter-Gatherer
                32% Farmer
                13% Metal Age Invader
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                some results from other people with ancestry primarily from the same area as my parents are largely from:
                58% Hunter-Gatherer
                29% Farmer
                14% Metal Age Invader
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                61% Hunter-Gatherer
                28% Farmer
                12% Metal age Invader
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                57% Hunter-Gatherer
                29% Farmer
                14% Metal Age Invader

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by wombat View Post
                  yes and Baltic people big big time as here are Latvian results:
                  oops ignore this part in my post above, this was a cut and paste from another forum and I accidentally didn't clip that part out. That sentence is totally out of context in how it was presented in this thread (for the record it had to do with peak values for hunter-gatherer).

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                  • #24
                    French Results

                    I am French from Normandy:
                    Hunter Gatherer 39%
                    Farmer 51%
                    Metal Age Inv. 10%

                    my Wife also French
                    Hunter Gatherer 40%
                    Farmer 49%
                    Metal Age Inv. 11%

                    But this doesn't correspond to the value given by geneticians (see Haak "Massive migration from the steppe is a sourcefor Indo-European languages in Europe") French are around Farmer 50% (Brown) it's right but they are more 10% HG (Blue) & 40% Metal Age Inv (Yamnaya Green), It 's all the away around Why?
                    FredH
                    FTDNA Customer
                    Last edited by FredH; 29 November 2016, 06:03 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by FredH View Post
                      I am French from Normandy:
                      Hunter Gatherer 39%
                      Farmer 51%
                      Metal Age Inv. 10%

                      my Wife also French
                      Hunter Gatherer 40%
                      Farmer 49%
                      Metal Age Inv. 11%

                      But this doesn't correspond to the value given by geneticians (see Haak "Massive migration from the steppe is a sourcefor Indo-European languages in Europe") French are around Farmer 50% (Brown) it's right but they are more 10% HG (Blue) & 40% Metal Age Inv (Yamnaya Green), It 's all the away around Why?
                      The Yamnaya were an admixed population 50% of Yamnaya atDNA was Hunter Gatherer according to Haak et. al. and Jones et. al.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AFH View Post
                        The Yamnaya were an admixed population 50% of Yamnaya atDNA was Hunter Gatherer according to Haak et. al. and Jones et. al.
                        According to FTDNA, I think Metal Age Invader is mainly related to Yamnaya and Corded Wire Peoples (80% Yamnaya), look at FTDNA Site for the definition of these catagories.
                        HG are related to Western Hunter Gatherers (Loschbour, Motola, Labrana ). It would be interesting to know where we are located onto the Haak picture like this ones:
                        FredH
                        FTDNA Customer
                        Last edited by FredH; 29 November 2016, 12:40 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Is the graph from a "principal components" analysis? Based on scores for how many SNP's?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by John McCoy View Post
                            Is the graph from a "principal components" analysis? Based on scores for how many SNP's?
                            I think yes it 's based on principal component analysis done on values of autosomal genes. It 's well explained by Johannes Krause here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk65TbJRN_A

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                            • #29
                              Ancient European Origins and Ethnic Makeup

                              Metal Age Invader 13%
                              Farmer 44%
                              Hunter 43%

                              European 91%
                              British 49%
                              Central Europe 26%
                              Scandinavia 16%
                              Jewish Diaspora 7%
                              Middle East 2%

                              France Paris - Normandy

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                              • #30
                                My results:
                                Metal Age Invader 10%
                                Farmer 42%
                                Hunter-Gatherer 45%

                                European 97%
                                African 3%

                                Western and Central Europe 61%
                                Scandinavia 36%
                                East Central Africa 2%
                                West Africa 1%

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