Y-DNA Haplogroup prediction changes March 2015

[paulgill]

STRs and SNPs

Everyone's circumstances are different and it depends on what the tester wants to know but I do worry a little about the volume of testers that are buying expensive STR tests when all they might want to know is what sub clade they belong to and would be better off with an inexpensive SNP test.

Y111 has it's place in helping people further explore their close Y67 matches (if they have any) but it's not the first place to go for people who are interested in exploring their sub clade. Depending on what matches you get Y37 can often be good enough in shining a light on what snips to test.

Earl.

Agreed, all that most need is 12 STRs to join the projects, once one knows his basic haplogroup, all one need is the SNPs Penal for that haplogroup, and in case their are more than one penals for that haplogroup then it is better to use much cheaper YSEQ SNP test.

[Earl Davis]

Everyone's circumstances are different and it depends on what the tester wants to know but I do worry a little about the volume of testers that are buying expensive STR tests when all they might want to know is what sub clade they belong to and would be better off with an inexpensive SNP test.

Y111 has it's place in helping people further explore their close Y67 matches (if they have any) but it's not the first place to go for people who are interested in exploring their sub clade. Depending on what matches you get Y37 can often be good enough in shining a light on what snips to test.

Earl.

[Littlest bit]

R-M269's don't need to upgrade STR's, they need to snp test. But, yes, it will cost more money. FTDNA has long nickel-and-dimed their customers and, IMO, doesn't offer enough practical guidance, instead relying on groups and administrators. If you join a group with an engaged, informed administrator...great. You might find what you're looking for with the minimum required expenditure. But in my experience there are a lot of administrators that are disengaged, misguided, or uninformed about current Y findings. When my grandpa's CTS1751 snp came in positive, I sent an email to all his matches informing them to see if any were interested in exploring whether they are also CTS1751. I only got one response, from a group administrator who manages accounts for those in her group, who said that her guys were all L21, not CTS1751. CTS1751 is downstream of L21 and all CTS1751+'s would also be L21+ too. Later, I did get one match to test CTS1751 and he turned out to be CTS1751+ but I guess I may never know about the other matches. And that's a problem if you are trying to pursue this hobby to see where you fit in the bigger picture.

[Martin J Daly]

I just hope this isn't a ploy to get more cash from the customers.

When I first tested my Y-DNA to twelve markers I was predicted as R-M269 then as I tested farther, the prediction went to R-L21. Now I'm back at M269 with 67 markers tested. I understand why the prediction went one way and now is stepping back. And at this point I think I'll just leave it as the 111 marker test just costs too much. Maybe someday I'll see a point to digging really deeply into my genetics, but at the moment I'm interested in my more recent genealogy.

I made that decision when I was dropped back to R-M269 from CTS4466. I too, am more interested in my more recent genealogy. My autosomal test confirms my Daly paper tree to 1835, but my Y test has given me nothing so far. My Daly surname doesn't even appear until my 60th Y match and not again until many, many more matches later, and I am in the Daly Surname, Munster Irish and CTS4466+ groups. Most Dalys, who have paid for Y-111 are also stuck in R-M269. What's the point in spending any more money for more nothing?

[Tenn4ever]

I think FTDNA's IT department needs a good pest control company.

[Karim]

Broken, broken, broken, waiting for FTDNA, waiting, waiting...

Should I eat chocolate or ice cream? Go for a nice walk? Watch a good movie? What else can I do to not get nervous about current changes at FTDNA?

Mr. W.

waiting,waiting, waiting ...............until...........

[dna]

And now i see another change in my haplotree page the Haplogroup R is assigned "presumed negatif'' and T haplogroup is assigned "test in progerss" what this mean? is this is the begin of change of haplogroup or what?

Broken, broken, broken, waiting for FTDNA, waiting, waiting...

Should I eat chocolate or ice cream? Go for a nice walk? Watch a good movie? What else can I do to not get nervous about current changes at FTDNA?

Mr. W.

[dna]

I hade this banner the last two day, despite i'am R-M459 (R1A1) confirmed by BIG Y test, and it is disapeared today but when i verified my haplotree page i found this notice "The undifferentiated R1 lineage is quite rare. It is found only at very low frequencies in Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia. This lineage possibly originated in Europe and then migrated east into Asia" so according this notice i'am not R1A1 haplogroup confirmed but R1 can anyone of ftdna team explaine this incohérence?

The undifferentiated R1 lineage is quite rare. It is found only at very low frequencies in Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia. This lineage possibly originated in Europe and then migrated east into Asia.

That is on all the kits that have Y-DNA haplogroup R, I have access too. Waiting for FTDNA...

Mr. W.

[Karim]

And now i see another change in my haplotree page the Haplogroup R is assigned "presumed negatif'' and T haplogroup is assigned "test in progerss" what this mean? is this is the begin of change of haplogroup or what?

[dna]

Is there a big difference between Big Y and SNP testing? I am sure the SNP testing is very specific, but is the Big Y all inclusive?

Is the Big Y test all inclusive? No, it has some weak spots, but I think the benefits outweigh them.

I hope one of Big Y knowledgeable people does answer your query in detail, but to me the only barrier to Big Y testing is the financial one. As the Big Y test has easy to understand advantages:

• It could be cheaper or at least comparable in cost to testing of individual SNPs! Likely many SNPs need to be tested, and then some additional ones to confirm that there are no more SNPs that are testing positive below your terminal one.
• It is way faster to get a Big Y result in a couple of months (individual results vary, consult https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/...-results-take/ before proceeding etc.), then waiting a couple of month for each SNP tested.
• Big Y is testing SNPs that are not on the FTDNA tree yet, so you might get deeper, than when ordering individual SNP tests.

W. (Mr.)

[sshayward]

SNP testing vs Big Y

Yes, that is a very broad designation.

Please take a look at the Frequency table in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b


Although it is rather certain that your brother is positive for R-M269, as Tenn4ever indicated, only SNP testing can confirm the haplogroups (SNPs) your brother belongs to.

When viewing your brother account, you should see a link to a Big Y test, that could be your next option.

W. (Mr.)

Is there a big difference between Big Y and SNP testing? I am sure the SNP testing is very specific, but is the Big Y all inclusive?

[KATM]

Same here. I got the same message on the haplotree page in my father's account, even though he has tested down to a subclade of R1b-Z253 (L1308) via SNP panel testing. "Your Confirmed Haplogroup is R-L1308" is just above the "undifferentiated" message.

I hade this banner the last two day, despite i'am R-M459 (R1A1) confirmed by BIG Y test, and it is disapeared today but when i verified my haplotree page i found this notice "The undifferentiated R1 lineage is quite rare. It is found only at very low frequencies in Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia. This lineage possibly originated in Europe and then migrated east into Asia" so according this notice i'am not R1A1 haplogroup confirmed but R1 can anyone of ftdna team explaine this incohérence?

[Karim]

I hade this banner the last two day, despite i'am R-M459 (R1A1) confirmed by BIG Y test, and it is disapeared today but when i verified my haplotree page i found this notice "The undifferentiated R1 lineage is quite rare. It is found only at very low frequencies in Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia. This lineage possibly originated in Europe and then migrated east into Asia" so according this notice i'am not R1A1 haplogroup confirmed but R1 can anyone of ftdna team explaine this incohérence?

[dna]

I still have the pink banner. I put in for a couple of snps. Could the banner have anything to do with pending snp results? Or is it just random?

Waiting for any word from FTDNA... Waiting... Still waiting...

W. (Mr.)

[MikeP]

I still have the pink banner. I put in for a couple of snps. Could the banner have anything to do with pending snp results? Or is it just random?