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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Vinny
    Okay this is how it went, I just kind of figured this out. In 1839 Adelaida Avila was born (my great great great Grandmother).. later she married a man with the last name Cienfuegos (we don’t know his frist name). They had a child together in 1865 my great great Grandfather Jose Francisco Vicente Cienfuegos. Adelaida we thought all her Children were with this man including Francisco's younger brother born in 1874 his name was Jose Adelaido Cienfuegos. Anyway I descend from Francisco and my 2nd cousin descends from Jose Adelaido. We are off a generation Jose Adelaido is his Great Grandfather. We recently found documents that state that Adelaida was a widow and also in other court documents that she may have been a prostitute and had a child (Jose Adelaido, seeing as my cousin seems to match with many Ashkenazi Jewish people) with a man name Lehman Spiegelberg and since we do not match now we know that this is most likely true. My cousin is guessing a lot on what he wrote on his page..
    Seems you're learning a lot via your test results.

    Thanks for sharing it.

    Lately things have been a bit slow for me on the genealogy front.

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  • Vinny
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    Okay this is how it went, I just kind of figured this out. In 1839 Adelaida Avila was born (my great great great Grandmother).. later she married a man with the last name Cienfuegos (we don’t know his frist name). They had a child together in 1865 my great great Grandfather Jose Francisco Vicente Cienfuegos. Adelaida we thought all her Children were with this man including Francisco's younger brother born in 1874 his name was Jose Adelaido Cienfuegos. Anyway I descend from Francisco and my 2nd cousin descends from Jose Adelaido. We are off a generation Jose Adelaido is his Great Grandfather. We recently found documents that state that Adelaida was a widow and also in other court documents that she may have been a prostitute and had a child (Jose Adelaido, seeing as my cousin seems to match with many Ashkenazi Jewish people) with a man name Lehman Spiegelberg and since we do not match now we know that this is most likely true. My cousin is guessing a lot on what he wrote on his page..

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by efgen
    Hi Vinny,

    There are several differences between you and your cousin that are causing the high GD:

    Code:
    Marker  Cousin   You
    DYS391   11       10
    DYS439   11       13
    DYS389  13/28   15/31
    Let me ask some questions... your cousin's Ysearch profile says his grandfather took his mother's surname, and his great-grandfather is unknown. However, your post said that his great-grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother. Did you mean that his grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother? And is it possible that while they had the same mother, they actually had different fathers? If so, that would certainly explain the different Y-DNA results.
    And Spanish naming practices included the use of the mother's surname right?

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  • efgen
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    Hi Vinny,

    There are several differences between you and your cousin that are causing the high GD:

    Code:
    Marker  Cousin   You
    DYS391   11       10
    DYS439   11       13
    DYS389  13/28   15/31
    Let me ask some questions... your cousin's Ysearch profile says his grandfather took his mother's surname, and his great-grandfather is unknown. However, your post said that his great-grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother. Did you mean that his grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother? And is it possible that while they had the same mother, they actually had different fathers? If so, that would certainly explain the different Y-DNA results.
    Last edited by efgen; 8 December 2007, 10:15 AM.

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  • Vinny
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    Odd

    Okay now I am a little more puzzled about this DNA Stuff. My second cousin got his results in today. Here is his y search ID 53HJD. His Great Grandfather (born in 1874) is my Great Great Grandfathers (born in 1865) younger brother. Here is my Y search ID 59JDM. We don't match, it says their is a genetic difference of 6, our dna could not have mutated that much right? It says his last name is Cien, but it really in Cienfuegos, his father dropped the fuegos, I guess because he got sick of people messing it up or something. Anyway let me know what you all think. Thanks.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by lgmayka
    This is what Dr. Krahn of FTDNA's Advanced lab wrote to me back in June, with respect to the SNPs for R1b1c9 and R1b1c10:
    ---
    We have those two markers already working in our Houston lab. We have sequenced a couple of reference samples and know that the results are consistent with the EA results. We also have S29 working. Because everything is available from EA we didn't prioritize the commercialization of the test, but of course there are no secret commitments with other companies. We didn't plan to come out with the R1b1c special until we can deliver more interesting features than our competitors.
    ---
    Cool.

    I guess by "more interesting features" he means more non-private SNPs.

    That would be nice.

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  • lgmayka
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    Originally posted by MMaddi
    Evidently, Ethnoancestry, whose main business is SNP testing, had a lot of trouble getting the primers for the S-series to work properly in their lab. FTDNA will probably have similar problems.
    This is what Dr. Krahn of FTDNA's Advanced lab wrote to me back in June, with respect to the SNPs for R1b1c9 and R1b1c10:
    ---
    We have those two markers already working in our Houston lab. We have sequenced a couple of reference samples and know that the results are consistent with the EA results. We also have S29 working. Because everything is available from EA we didn't prioritize the commercialization of the test, but of course there are no secret commitments with other companies. We didn't plan to come out with the R1b1c special until we can deliver more interesting features than our competitors.
    ---

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  • MMaddi
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    Originally posted by Vinny
    Ya here are my results for that: R1b1c M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37- M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-
    and I have already joined that project, but thanks for the info.
    I think I will wait untill FTDNA starts to do that test.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it's 6 months or longer before FTDNA starts testing for S21 and S28. Evidently, Ethnoancestry, whose main business is SNP testing, had a lot of trouble getting the primers for the S-series to work properly in their lab. FTDNA will probably have similar problems.

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  • Vinny
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    Originally posted by Stevo
    I think FTDNA should begin testing for the S series within a couple of months.

    Otherwise, if you can't wait, Ethnoancestry tests for it right now.

    Have you had FTDNA's Deep SNP-R1b test yet?

    Anyway, SNP testing can give you some extra geographical information that can help you figure out your deep ancestry. It is also helpful to the rest of us, since the more data we collect, the more we learn.

    Are you getting the hang of looking for matches in YSearch? It's a valuable tool.

    Have you joined the R1b Project yet? You can do that by clicking on the little "Join" icon on the left side of your FTDNA personal homepage. Then scroll down to "Y-Haplogroup Projects" and click on the "R6" thingie. Finally, click on "R1b and Subclades", then scroll down and click on "Join."
    Ya here are my results for that: R1b1c M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37- M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-
    and I have already joined that project, but thanks for the info.
    I think I will wait untill FTDNA starts to do that test.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Vinny
    I'm here...
    So do we know when that will start to test for the s series? And what will that tell me? I didn’t realize that so many R1b1c’s have not been able to be classified.
    I think FTDNA should begin testing for the S series within a couple of months.

    Otherwise, if you can't wait, Ethnoancestry tests for it right now.

    Have you had FTDNA's Deep SNP-R1b test yet?

    Anyway, SNP testing can give you some extra geographical information that can help you figure out your deep ancestry. It is also helpful to the rest of us, since the more data we collect, the more we learn.

    Are you getting the hang of looking for matches in YSearch? It's a valuable tool.

    Have you joined the R1b Project yet? You can do that by clicking on the little "Join" icon on the left side of your FTDNA personal homepage. Then scroll down to "Y-Haplogroup Projects" and click on the "R6" thingie. Finally, click on "R1b and Subclades", then scroll down and click on "Join."

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  • Vinny
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    Originally posted by Stevo
    Where are you, Vinny?

    Just when things were getting interesting!

    I'm here...
    So do we know when that will start to test for the s series? And what will that tell me? I didn’t realize that so many R1b1c’s have not been able to be classified.

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  • Stevo
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    Vinny, where have you gone?

    Originally posted by Vinny
    It is a Spanish Surname, I guess it first appeared in Asturias, Spain. I thought I only had one match with a genetic distance of -7 at the 67 marker level. I still don't quite understand all this DNA stuff but I am getting it a little bit. What do you think that could possibly mean? Thanks for your help, Vinny
    Where are you, Vinny?

    Just when things were getting interesting!

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  • lgmayka
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    Originally posted by Vinny
    I thought I only had one match with a genetic distance of -7 at the 67 marker level.
    According to Ysearch, more Scotch and Irish are 8 or 9 away from you at 67 markers:

    http://www.ysearch.org/search_result...smatches_max=9

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Vinny
    It is a Spanish Surname, I guess it first appeared in Asturias, Spain. I thought I only had one match with a genetic distance of -7 at the 67 marker level. I still don't quite understand all this DNA stuff but I am getting it a little bit. What do you think that could possibly mean? Thanks for your help, Vinny
    I am reluctant anymore to engage in guesswork about "tribes" and all that, but you sure do seem to have quite a group of fairly close 67-marker Scottish and Irish neighbors.

    Maybe it's a Celtic thing?

    I haven't had the time to really analyze your haplotype for off-modal stuff, but I noticed that you and several of your haplotype neighbors share 391=10, and that's interesting. You also have 389-1=15 (your neighbors have 14), and I believe the modal there is 13.

    Interesting. You might have some kind of cluster there, but I would need to look more closely and get the help of another couple of sets of eyes to be sure.

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  • Vinny
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    Surname

    Originally posted by Stevo
    You could still be R1b1c10 (S28+). FTDNA should start testing for the S series shortly.

    When those tests become available, you ought to have them done, just in case.

    Still, probably just over 50% of R1b1c men cannot currently be placed into any known subclade.

    I understand FTDNA is working on that problem, so there may be light at the end of the tunnel.

    Right now I'm in the same boat you're in, except that I've been S tested and know that I am neither S21+ nor S28+.

    BTW, you've got a startling number of fairly close 67-marker Scottish and Irish haplotype neighbors for someone with what looks like a Spanish surname.
    It is a Spanish Surname, I guess it first appeared in Asturias, Spain. I thought I only had one match with a genetic distance of -7 at the 67 marker level. I still don't quite understand all this DNA stuff but I am getting it a little bit. What do you think that could possibly mean? Thanks for your help, Vinny

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